He huffed about how the question wasn’t “appropriate” even though his bill would result in kids being asked that same question.
A Republican state rep from Michigan testifying about his anti-trans sports bill on Monday was left speechless after an out Democratic colleague began his questioning by asking, “Representative, can you tell me: are you trans?”
A long beat staring down out gay Democratic state Rep. Mike McFall followed, before state Rep. Jason Woolford ® managed to reply, “Are you?”
“I’m actually going somewhere with this,” he said to lawmakers in the small chamber.
“Because I want to know, how does a 14-year-old girl prove whether or not she’s trans to a 50-year-old coach?”
“Because I want to know, how does a 14-year-old girl prove whether or not she’s trans to a 50-year-old coach?”
Puts on rubber glove we have teasts
Generally these tests are conducted by pedophiles and kept secret, so I can see why the GOP has no problem with them.
This was EXTREMELY INAPPROPRIATE! Doesn’t he KNOW that you’re ONLY supposed to ask CHILDREN about Their Genitals? What a PERVERT!
God damned leftist groomers at it again. Won’t anyone think of the children’s genitals?!
It’s a complex issue for sure, but I’m really proud of this thread for consistently using the term “trans women” when talking about the differences between trans women compared to cis women and cis men in sports.
On Reddit, most people on this debate just say “biological males,” “males,” or “men” in situations where they’re clearly talking about trans women, which is a clear tell that it was never about fairness in sports for them.
I stay out of that fight because I don’t know enough about the real statistics to comment on it. Which I feel like would drastically improve the situation if all these armchair “bIoLoGiCaL aDvAnTaGe” people would do the same.
I still don’t understand why the government needs to be involved in sports at all. They’re games, it’s not that serious. Leave it to the experts within those organizations to come up with whatever rules are needed.
America has a reputation at being the “best” at everything always. That’s why government is involved in sports in general, but as to the trans women topic it’s because we’re in a full on fascist takeover and they’re number one on their list of people to “purify”
Sports is used as a revenue generator at all levels of government. Look how much taxpayer money is spent to build stadiums/arenas/etc. for the sake of the “local economy.” Not to mention all the money spent on advertising and sponsorship.
All of which, of course, has nothing to do with lawmakers’ arbitrary decisions on whether or not trans athletes should exist. Just wanted to point out how much the government is already involved in sports.
I mean if it were up to me they’d be paying for their own stadiums. The rest of it is just taxation which applies to pretty much everything.
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I’m not convinced it’s as complex as people pretend it is, largely because the number of clearly dominant trans athletes are so low. Maybe we haven’t seen a problem already because there simply isn’t a problem, even if you could theoretically tell a story that sounds somehow “unfair” depending on your storytelling skills.
even if you could theoretically tell a story that sounds somehow “unfair” depending on your storytelling skills.
Yeah, they sure do love pulling the Riley Gaines card even though she came in fifth, making it a total nonsequitur.
And I totally agree that this debate is too big considering it only targets a tiny handful of athletes. I say it’s complicated because some arguments used feel, circumstantial? As in, “Trans women should play with women because there’s only a couple of them anyway?” Would acceptance of that argument lead to tokenism? BWhat if, for whatever reason, a sports team happened to take on a lot of trans woman? I think that would be okay, but I worry it would dredge the debate up all over again.
Or, people often say, “Trans women should be allowed to play with women because they rarely win anyway.” But what if a trans woman ends up on a winning streak and then another controversy erupts? I feel uncomfortable that our condition for entry is framed as our failure to win, and that if we win, then by implication we get othered as opposed to just being a woman who won a sports game one time. This recently happened, actually. https://www.erininthemorning.com/p/ca-school-sports-authority-panders
This is to say, I’m just thinking aboug how we come to a supporting argument that ages with grace? And what argument should that be? Not that I think any pro-trans argument would satisfy some people, with it being the wedge issue that makes TERFS out of people originally left of center. I guess I don’t know the answer at this point.
Idk but usually starting somewhere like “there are ten transgender athletes in all NCAA sanctioned college sports across the entire country” points out how fucking stupid legislating on this issue really is. You can feel whatever way you want to feel about it but this is a made up issue being used to restrict rights. Simple as.
Its not complicated at all.
Trans folks are just folks. Takes all kinds. Mind your own business.
People who can’t mind their own business are assholes. And should be treated like the assholes they are.
Not to mention just how blatantly disrespectful it is to not treat people how they want to be treated. Republicans love to pull a bible out of their gaping holes when it suits them right? Luke 6:31-36.
And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise. For if ye love them which love you, what thank have ye? for sinners also love those that love them. And if ye do good to them which do good to you, what thank have ye? for sinners also do even the same. And if ye lend to them of whom ye hope to receive, what thank have ye? for sinners also lend to sinners, to receive as much again. But love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again; and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest: for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil. Be ye therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful.
Fundies largely ignore the New Testament, especially anything Jesus is quoted as saying (they’re more in line with St Paul, especially the Epistles that he probably didn’t write) and they aggressively cherry-pick the Old. For example, they’re always wearing clothing made of mixed fiber types, so they’re going to burn in hell: it’s an abomination according to Leviticus. And all the requirements to welcome foreigners among you, and requiring extreme hospitality to strangers: they just pretend that part isn’t there.
And as for the Old Testament (the Tanakh) itself, the Jews, over millennia, developed a whole apparatus of analysis and exegesis (the Talmud) to take the various fairy tales, genealogies, records of the actions of kings and prophets, poems and nationalistic history and try to draw conclusions as to what they’re telling us. The fundies, in their arrogance, instead believed that anyone could interpret a translation of those texts with no context, no critical thought, and no use of reason, as long as they pretended they believed hard enough. They’re like the Sovereign Citizen morons interpreting case law as though it’s based on magic phrases.
Oh. Fucking Reddit is so fucked. That place has fully embraced the scum. All meaningful conversation there is absolutely dead, conservatives have absolutely poisoned the well and nobody is open for business even if they want to be. Even good mods are 100% scorched earth, which can be nice, but sometimes the questions are genuine and the person they’re having a convo with can easily destroy them. But because there’s so much sockpuppeting and astroturfing and just shitty behavior, most people are now deaf and lazy, and even in the same comment threads, it becomes an echo chamber of two idiots trying to appeal to the audience with mic drops.
Even if it weren’t totally cooked from admins to culture, reddit is unreliable, untrustworthy, and functionally useless.
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“I found the right echo chamber!”
If you care about accuracy, things like details might matter to you.
I swear to god republicans found out Penis Inspection Day wasn’t real and are now making it a thing to save face.
Penis inspection day was real though. Up until ≈1974 in the USA you had to show your dick to go swimming in public pools.
For real-real? Saurce?
https://the-dollop-sources.squarespace.com/eps-61-80
It’s episode 78
Damn @.@
The section referenced:The Dark Secret of Swimming Pools
Main
· “A Conversation with Jeff Wiltse, Author of Contested Waters: A Social History of Swimming Pools in America.” University of North Carolina Press. (May 1, 2010) http://www.ibiblio.org/uncp/media/wiltse/WiltseQ & A_pb.pdf
· Wiltse, Jeff. Contested Waters: A Social History of Swimming Pools in America. The University of North Carolina Press. (April 23, 2007)
· Gale, Neil, Ph.D. “The Origins of Nude Swimming in Illinois Public Schools and Community Pools.” Digital Research Library of Illinois History Journal. (December 20, 2016). https://drloihjournal.blogspot.com/2016/12/the-origins-of-nude-swimming-in.html
Others
· “Nude Male Swimming” Collection of articles. Historic Archives https://sites.google.com/site/historicarchives4maleswimming/home/archives---mid-20th-century-to-current/photographs
· Markowitz, Eric. “Until Fairly Recently, The YMCA Actually Required Swimmers To Be Nude.” vocativ. (April 29, 2014) http://www.vocativ.com/culture/fun/fairly-recently-ymca-actually-required-swimmers-nude/
· Jumper-Swim. “The Origins of Nude Swimming at the Y & Public Schools.” Historic Archives. https://sites.google.com/site/historicarchives4maleswimming/home/archives---mid-20th-century-to-current/stories/jumper-swim
· Norm. “Swimming naked: my high school swim team did!” Chicago Then. (November 12, 2013) http://www.chicagonow.com/chicago-then/2013/11/swimming-naked-my-high-school-swim-team-did-123/
· All Things Considered. “Plunging into Public Pools’ Contentious Past.” [radio] NPR (May 26, 2007). http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=10407533
Hahaha… hol’ up… what do you mean not real?
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I just hate that it takes my pastor the whole day to do the inspection
I love this. This is a really good, simple, impactful strategy.
The GOP is just a bad debater.
My immediate thought was to say something like “That question proves my point! We have no way of knowing who is or isn’t trans without careful testing!”
“Under this bill, coaches will ask their students this very question. High school coaches are the ones who will be performing this so-called ‘qualified testing’, and it starts with this question. Are you trans?”
“What if I ask you to prove it? Will you be comfortable doing that for me? Would you prefer we bring in a high school coach?”
“When do you think it’s okay for someone to ask you to prove your gender? What if my colleagues and I are uncomfortable sharing the Congressional bathrooms and athletic facilities with you, until we know for sure what you are hiding in your pants? Do we have a right to ask you to prove it?”
Do we have a right to ask you to prove it?”
As a GOP master [de]bater I’d jump on that last one. “Certainly you have a right. I’ll bring in a note from my doctor tomorrow,”
The great thing about this is that we have now stepped past the “why” part of the argument and gotten to the “how.”
"To clarify, sir, a medical note is unacceptable. In order to comply with this bill, do you believe you should be forced to provide your original birth certificate to prove you are cisgender before you can participate in any sports activities? "
Besides, they drink the kool-aid. They’re bad debaters because they believe this shit - as evidenced in this article - and most of them would absolutely not be willing to prove they are cisgender.
I take the long view. In the 1950s Conservatives would tell you that Rock and Roll was a danger.
Whatever nonsense they come up with today will pass on and they will find some other nonsense to scare their voters.
I take the long view too.
In the 1950s they would tell you that being gay is a sin. They would call homosexuality a danger to society, a threat to children, a product of brainwashing and perversion and all sorts of abhorrent hateful things.
In the 2020s most of them are saying the exact same things about being transgender. That they are a danger to society, a threat to women and children, and a product of brainwashing and perversion.
But an increasing number are yet again saying the exact same things about gay people, and celebrating that they can finally “say it like it is”. Those that ever stopped, that is.
In the 1950s many of them would also tell you that <insert racial slur here> don’t belong in positions of leadership or deserve jobs or support. That they are unqualified, uneducated, inferior, lazy, or outright violent criminals.
In the 2020s many of them are saying that <insert racial minority here> don’t belong in positions of leadership or deserve jobs or support. That they are unqualified, uneducated, untrustworthy, lazy, or outright violent criminals.
If you really believe that any of this is new, that any of this is different, that any of it has ever had anything to do with taste in music, I’ve got a bridge to sell you. They’ve changed the words around, they’ve adapted to the times and say things like “woke” and “DEI”, but they’re using those words to gleefully campaign against minorities in government, in schools, in the workforce, and in healthcare.
Whatever nonsense they come up with today will be used to spread hate, fear, and ignorance among their voters and keep racial, sexual, and gender minorities oppressed and vilified as the useful scapegoats for all of problems of the day that their nonsense often caused and yet is somehow hailed as a solution.
Just wanted to let you know I saved a copy of this text to share with my friend group. This encapsulates so much of the conservative logos in a way that makes it transparent what’s going on today.
Plenty of people have pointed out that trans panic is just gay panic rebranded for the modern day but this was the most eloquent and concise way of putting it I’ve ever seen in text format. Thanks for taking the time.
And in the meantime some minority will suffer unnecessary harassment i guess
Well, you certainly can’t expect the Right to start dealing with facts, can you?
“Okay, I’ll inspect your genitals, drop 'em and we’ll prove it to everyone”
problem is: these bigots would LOVE to show off the little junk they have in exchange for seeing others.
They’d probably have a sickly grin on too, because it brings back fond memories of Uncle Touchy’s Naked Puzzle Basement.
Spoiler: the rep is uncle touchy
“That’s why we’ll have to fire a dozen teachers; so we can have trained inspectors on hand.”
You have to put yourself in their mindset…
I’m sure they’ll have plenty of proper god fearing Christian good old boys just lining up to do their solemn duty.
I’d like to think that line wouldn’t play too well with the general public but I’m actually not so sure anymore
My phrasing was deliberately over the top, but you are sadly correct…
It’s a real shame he deflected, I would have loved to see this argument continue.
trans guys have bigger dicks than republican legislators, so this is a fair question
Last time I was at the gynecologist’s- “that’s unusually big - are you sure you aren’t intersex”?
Nurse told me my dong was big, hehe.
nice
I’m pretty sure he’s MS13. We should deport him just in case.
No, he’s tren de aragua. He’s part of the invasion and should be transported to CECOT post haste
I’m pretty sure he has an invisible tattoo.
From the State House to the White House, we are saying that we will no longer allow our daughters and women to be taken advantage of by insecure men…
Yeah, we should protect them from these insecure, conservative men who constantly think about other people’s genitals.
Trans men don’t exist of course.
Or we are autistic teenagers that need to be
torturedreceiving “therapy.”Was this quote from a republican?? How can you be so self unaware?
“Nothing To Hide, Nothing To Fear.” Riiiight MAGAs?
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What, you guys didn’t have penis inspection day in gym class?
That’s only in the girls class.
No for real. Penis inspection happened like… every year?
This was definitely a thing in middle school PE class back in the 90s.
We had a coach in middle school who made it very clear to us on the first day that’d we’d be “dressing out” every day and we’d be expected to shower because you stink after you play sports. For the first month or so he stood outside the locker room and made sure your hair was wet, he didn’t inspect any penises, or even come into the locker room that I’m aware of, but he made sure a gym full of 11yr old boys knew they were supposed to wash themselves after physical activity.
It was a few decades ago, and he was the same gym coach that taught “health/sex education” so I get it. It was pretty uncomfortable and awkward but some people need to be told to wash themselves. I still smell grown people out in public who clearly never had a coach explain stank to them.
RIP. Coach J you were alright even to the nerds
Awww, you just made me feel respect toward a gym teacher for the first time in my life.
The worst part was how they did it in groups. First they made you take your shirt off for the scoliosis exam. Then you put your shirt back on and drop trou for the penis inspection.
As a fat kid it was terrible
What the fuck? Where do you guys live?
America, obviously
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2010’s aus school, if you got injured in that area, they just called an ambulance, not the nurses thing to deal with lol
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I’m sorry
My middle school held an assembly over a fad of “dick tapping” that had taken over the boys in the school. Apparently it had become “a thing” for them to just reach over and slap their friends’ penises, and it got so bad that we needed a damn assembly.
All us girls were extremely confused. We legit thought most of the boys in our school must have secretly been gay if they wanted to touch each other’s dicks so badly. Even if the boys weren’t gay, we figured they must be pretty frickin’ stupid to play such a dumb “game.” A lot of us had crushes evaporate in an instant, and I for one never looked at the boys in my class the same again.
Nowadays, I know better than to assume one’s sexuality from such things. However, I never stopped being extremely confused about that game.
The “game” is just inflicting pain on other boys at random and it has taken many forms over the years. My dad told me they used to play “Dead Arm”, the whole thing was just punching someone in the upper arm as hard as you could when they weren’t looking.
Testosterone is a hell of a drug.
Yeah, that’s not testosterone. That’s toxic masculinity. It’s social; it’s not ubiquitous in all cultures.
My first job in the service industry included quite a bit of guys trying to ball tap each other. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
“Gay chicken” is a time honored line cook tradition, as are stupid pain rituals.
That’s even weirder. At least the boys in my middle school had the excuse of being, well, middle-school-aged boys.
To be fair we were all teens in high school.
Ah, I stand corrected.
I guess I’m out of the loop on this subject and honestly I don’t know if the information I have is factual or not.
Do trans women generally have a physical advantage over women? Are there any rules for this kind of thing? Do they need to be transitioning or taking suppression drugs? This is a serious question.
I don’t know about performance, or advantage (and I don’t think it matters since noone seems to care about the performance or fairness of non-proffesional sports unless it can be used as a bludgeon against trans people), but I happened to be arguing with my neighbor about this a few days and found that, according to the president of the NCAA there are “less than 10” transgender athletes in college sports out of about a half million. I feel like the whole discussion is a red herring. 1
Most likely.
trans people on hormone replacement therapy stop receiving the effects of whatever hormone their body produces naturally. so trans women lose muscle mass, bone density, whatever, and have no benefit from having previously lived as a man.
additionally, im of the opinion that less than 1 percent of child athletes go on to play professional sports, so who gives a shit who is playing who
One could argue that having gone through puberty as a male people might have a bigger frame which could be advantageous in some cases (basketball, track) but in my mind, this is more an argument for puberty blockers than against athletics
That’s the “big car small engine” problem. If anything, this puts trans women at a disadvantage in many sports. You’re stuck with the large skeleton formed in a male puberty, but now you have female-level musculature moving it. There are many sports where trans women are actually at a disadvantage compared to cis women. To see the absolute absurdity of trans sports bans, consider that they apply to all sports. In what possible universe does a trans woman have an advantage in women’s gymnastics?
Look, the reasoning is far cruder than that. It actually goes like this:
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False assumption 1: Men are superior to women.
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False assumption 2: Trans women are men.
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False conclusion, based on the false assumptions: Therefore, trans women are superior to cis women, which is cheating.
Also the Christian fundies, much like Muslim fundies, are believers in strict gender apartheid, and according to their fallacious assumptions (as I’ve listed above) allowing trans women on teams with cis women would violate that segregation.
If all of that is true then why separate men and women in sport at any level?
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Plenty of people might have different genetic advantages in sports, but they’re allowed to compete. Who cares?
Exactly.
Michael Phelps’s height, wingspan, and large hands and feet give him an advantage in swimming. His body also produces less lactic acid than his rivals, which shortens his recovery time. However, his success is also due to his dedication and hard work.
https://www.scienceabc.com/sports/michael-phelps-height-arms-torso-arm-span-feet-swimming.html
If they want everything “equal” then an athlete like Phelps should be taking drugs to raise the lactic acid in his system.
Is Michael Phelps a human or a bird?
I’m not sure what the argument is here. Obviously genetics make a difference but other men were competitive. If we were to allow Phelps to swim against the women that would not be the case but you seem to be insisting that none of it is fair because we aren’t all clones so who cares about the rules at all and that doesn’t work
At an amateur level, no-one.
There’s states banning trans kids competing in sports.
The kids don’t care.
It seems to me that they should try to pair up these sports teams based on the talent of the individual player rather than their genitalia
Mmr based high school sports is the only true unbiased solution
“Do trans women generally have a physical advantage over women?”
No. Trans women were able to complete in the Olympics beginning in 2004. No trans woman has won an Olympic medal in the woman’s category.
There are many studies that compare cis men to cis women and based on that claim trans women have an advantage. Among the studies that actually compare trans women to cis women it is generally found that trans women have no overall advantage.
“Are there any rules for this kind of thing? Do they need to be transitioning or taking suppression drugs?”
The rules and requirements vary by league. At higher levels of competition its generally required to have hormone levels at cis female levels for a prolonged period. Often 6 months or longer. To clarify, getting to those levels roughly takes 2+ years of hormone replacement therapy(hrt). Hrt for trans women generally consist of an anti-androgen, estradiol, and progesterone.
There are many studies that compare cis men to cis women and based on that claim trans women have an advantage.
They also selectively exclude all of the sports where women have distinct advantages, like cross-country. Cis men are statistically better at quick bursts of energy, like weightlifting or sprinting… But cis women are statistically better at endurance sports like cross country. Basically, cis men have an higher concentration of fast-twitch muscle fibers, which use a lot of energy but are more powerful. While women have more slow-twitch muscle, which allows them to last longer while exerting less energy or using less oxygen.
Sports were originally segregated by sex because men couldn’t stand the thought of losing endurance sports to women. It would be wholly undignified for a dainty woman to beat a bunch of big strong men, after all. They broke women off into a separate category, so they didn’t have to worry about it. And all of those endurance sports conveniently get left out of the conversation whenever discussing the advantages that conservatives claim trans women have.
I want to believe you, but the record for marathon time for men is faster than the record for women and the record for long swim events (1500m freestyle) for men is faster than the women’s record.
But cis women are statistically better at endurance sports
Maybe you missed the word “statistically”? Single examples of records, which are by nature statistical outliers, don’t really address the point.
Elite levels of competition like the Olympics are testing those statistical outliers/ extreme ends of the bell curve though.
I mean this is categorically false. The gold medal winner for the women’s marathon at the last Olympics had a lower time than the average finisher on the men’s side. 10th place in the men’s marathon would have won gold in women’s by over 15 minutes. Even on a pretty basic level, an 18 year old woman has the same qualifying time as a 60 year old man for the Boston Marathon.
The only time I’ve seen women compete are when the length of the races get massive. I’m talking like ultra marathons or the moab 240 or something. It is possible to see women legitimately compete with men and even win there but it’s still pretty rare (look up Courtney Dauwalter if you want to see something really impressive). It is very interesting to watch the gap close as the length of the races increases tho.
The answer is more complicated than other comments would lead you to believe. Before I get into all that, please know it doesn’t matter. Especially, when it comes to 14 year old kids who are playing JV sports at school.
First, the problem with studies is that there are very few trans athletes to study. Some studies have only one or two subjects.
Studies show that there is both an advantage and a disadvantage depending on what sport we are talking about and how long the athlete has been on hormones. Weightlifting and other strength based sports do tend to give an edge to trans women. However, cardio sports such as swimming and running put trans women at a disadvantage because they now have smaller muscle mass for their larger frames.
To me, it doesn’t matter. The camaraderie and other things that kids get out of sports is more important than who wins and who loses.
Human beings are sexually dimorphic, but most of the advantages or disadvantages are negligible or can be overcome with training, so it makes little difference. It makes even less difference in middle and high school aged children, since everyone is at (somewhat) different points developmentally anyway.
Also sports were never fair to begin with, they are literally competitions of ableism
Maybe but that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t attempt to make them as fair as possible.
I disagree, especially if it means auditing childrens genetalia to vindicate a chud.
Exactly, we’re talking about two different things when comparing children’s sports and Olympic sports and it’s easy to conflate the two.
Olympic competition needs fair rules to ensure the best humanity can produce is rewarded. The rules are already there and they seem to be fair and supported by trans athletes. Politicians need to stay out.
In children’s sports it’s more important kids learn skills, fitness, cooperation, and find a sense of community. So unless there is a massive outlier, the rules should maximise inclusion over “fairness”. Politicians also need to stay out.
I agree. I feel like this is only made more complicated because of college sports and the money involved.
Imma keep it a buck fifty, I don’t give a chicken fried fuck about fairness in any sport. Let them juice, drug, dope whatever, if they can do it then just document the conditions under which they achieved their times,reps, whatever.
This whole thing is just a fools errand to give chuds a foothold to deny transcare and further trans erasure.
I think you’re being a little dramatic. I understand if you personally don’t care about the rules but I have to imagine no one is saying it should just be an absolute free for all. Again I don’t understand why we link school and sports but we do and for that reason it means a lot to some and nothing to others. I’m completely down for a free for all in professional sports.
I agree with what you’re saying but I also don’t think it has to come to that. I guess my point is that if we don’t make some attempt to set a standard then we are allowing literally anything. I don’t honestly care for sports being tied to school in the first place but are we saying that anyone can claim to be trans and join the other team at any time because we’re all too afraid to talk about it or what? If that’s the case then it seems like we should just do a way with gender in sports completely.
I guess my point is that if we don’t make some attempt to set a standard then we are allowing literally anything.
You have a standard. Men play in the men’s category, women in the women’s. In this context, a man is anyone with a testosterone-dominant biology, and a woman anyone with an estrogen-dominated biology. There is your objective standard.
What if a person feels like a girl and then later a boy but the later decides that they really felt most like themselves as a girl and would like to be a woman now?
Why the fuck should anyone else be involved in that discussion? For that sake of fairness in sportsball? Give me a break.
Sure just do coed sports whatever I don’t care.
The whole thing is based on a false premise, that sports were ever fair to begin with.
If sports were as fair as possible, every sport would have handicaps built into it. Ensuring sports are as fair as possible is only ever brought up when new minority groups want to participate in sports they were previously excluded from.
So in college sports the performance gap is larger and should be considered or no? I also find this hard to believe even at a highschool level. While I was in highschool the advantages of testosterone were very obvious. If it were really the case that it makes little to no difference then shouldn’t the argument be to remove gender from sports all together?
negligible or can be overcome with training
I agree on a highscool/grade school level, but not at any extreme competitive level. There’s a reason most of the world records for athletics are held by men.
Testosterone doesn’t make all men better than all women, but if you take two equally trained+talented people for most athletic events, the men outperform the women.
There is a recent last week tonight with Jon Oliver that explores this topic in a way that entertaining and powerful. Definitely worth a watch.
Hopefully you have a genuine interest and aren’t “just asking questions”
I’m genuinely asking. On its face it seems unfair but I also don’t understand public schools’obsession with sports that seems to be made worse by the cost of college and sports also being tied to that. At the same time I also know that anything the GOP is throwing a bitch fit about is guaranteed to be a bunch of bullshit. I usually watch John Oliver regularly but I’ve fallen behind this season. I appreciate the link and I’ll give it a watch.
Considering most trans athletes can’t best records set by cis women, it seems pretty clearly no
“out Democratic”
What does that mean?
I assume they mean “out gay”, someone who is openly gay.
Out Democratic I guess is being openly Democratic.
What is Jason Woodford hiding?!?!?
