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18·6 hours agoLegal terms are the only terms that are factual and avoid what people feel about the issue.
Was Biden charged with war crimes the way Netanyahu was? No? Were US forces pulling the triggers? No? Not our dance. Blame the appropriate parties if you want to see something happen.
Further… and I said this in the run up to the election, Israel doesn’t need our help to commit genocide. Sniper bullets are cheap and depending on who’s counting, Israel is between the #8 and #10 arms supplier in the world.
All aid could be cut off today and the genocide would continue, because it’s Israel doing it.
The US is not doing this, Israel is:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/apr/02/gaza-palestinian-children-killed-idf-israel-war
Even after the cease fire…
No, I’m saying when the ICC went to lay blame, they correctly blamed Israel, NOT Biden.
They had every opportunity to charge Biden. Clearly they aren’t shy about charging major players after charging Putin.
They correctly blame Netanyahu. At no point has Biden ever said “Sure, please, kill as many Palestinians as you want” because that was never the purpose of the aid sent to Israel.
It’s all cited in the thread. Biden supports the defense of Israel, not their offensive actions. The genocide is not defense.
Same challenge I gave the other guy:
Show me where the ICC charged Biden the way they did Netanyahu or Putin, it’s cool. I can wait.
In fact, show me which of the 5 definitions of Genocide Biden meets under article II of the UN charter.
Pro tip - You can’t, because they didn’t.
I’m all for blaming Israel for the Genocide, they are 100% doing it and will not stop unless someone invades and makes them stop.
That doesn’t mean Biden was doing it.
Show me where the ICC charged Biden the way they did Netanyahu or Putin, it’s cool. I can wait.
In fact, show me which of the 5 definitions of Genocide Biden meets under article II of the UN charter.
Pro tip - You can’t, because they didn’t.
I’m all for blaming Israel for the Genocide, they are 100% doing it and will not stop unless someone invades and makes them stop.
That doesn’t mean Biden was doing it.
My position on the Israeli genocide has been 100% clear from the start:
No, I’m commited to blaming the people actually committing genocide:
Again, Biden’s direct quotations are not subjective. He legitimately believes that Israel has the right to defend themselves and supplied support to do that.
Israel misappropriated that support.
Biden acted in good faith, Israel did not.
I don’t see how it’s any plainer than that.
Was Biden STUPID to do it? Absolutely. That doesn’t mean he’s the one engaging in genocide, Israel is.
Experts in international law, the ICC, correctly blame Israel, not Biden.
The reason I say “naive” is that Biden persists in this mentality that Israel is just some poor victim surrounded by hostile Arab states and Israel hasn’t been a legit victim since… what? The 1972 Olympics?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Munich_massacre
If you look at what Israel has been doing to Gaza since the 90s, it’s a slow motion version of the ghettoization of the Jews in Nazi Germany.
Nope, I fully acknowledge the genocides being commited, but in order to do that, you have to blame the correct parties.
See my post here:
https://lemmy.world/post/24563168
Blaming the wrong people won’t end the genocide.
No, they have jurisdiction in the State of Palestine, you know, where the crimes are happening.
https://asp.icc-cpi.int/states-parties/asian-states/Palestine
Which is how they charged Israel for the ongoing genocide, Israel isn’t an ICC states party either, but you run around committing crimes in a states party, yeah, they do have jurisdiction.
Same for Ukraine and Russia.
https://asp.icc-cpi.int/states-parties/eastern-european-states/ukraine - Member state, Russia is not. Putin gets charged as a war criminal.
So if Putin, like China, started committing atrocities inside his own country, the ICC couldn’t cover it, not an ICC issue.
From your article:
“Prosecutors in The Hague said on Monday that they would not, for the moment, investigate allegations that China had committed genocide and crimes against humanity regarding the Uighurs, a predominantly Muslim ethnic group, because the alleged crimes took place in China, which is not a party to the court.”
They have no legal jurusdiction in China.
No, you can discuss anything you want, but you won’t be allowed to assert blatant falsehoods as true.
Same goes when I remove the arguments about Ukranians being Nazis or how they were the real aggressors after Russia invaded them or how the Uyghur genocide is all made up by Western powers to make China look bad.
Bullshit gets removed, repeated, unrepentent bullshit gets a temp ban. Repeated temp bans get longer and longer until the bullshit is excised.
Again, not a moral viewpoint.
Objectively, by any and all legal definition, Israel is responsible for the genocide in Gaza NOT Biden.
Quoted, and cited. You can go on and on about how you “feel” diferently, but you can’t say that and ignore a legal ruling as being subjective.
Unless, and I’m open to the very real possibility at this point, that you don’t ACTUALLY know the definitions of “objective” and “subjective”.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/objective
1: expressing or dealing with facts or conditions as perceived without distortion by personal feelings, prejudices, or interpretations
The ICC found Israel and Netanyahu responsible for the genocide in Gaza. Factually true. They did not charge Biden. Factually true. Cited above. This is the objective reality of the situation and comments accusing Biden of genocide will continue to be removed as misinformation.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/subjective
3a : characteristic of or belonging to reality as perceived rather than as independent of mind
4a(1) : peculiar to a particular individual
(2) : modified or affected by personal views, experience, or background
5 : lacking in reality or substance
“I don’t care what the ICC says! I feel different!”
That would be you. We’re done here, it’s like talking to a poorly informed wall.
Again, morality and philosophy are subjective. Legally, which is objective, Biden is not responsible.
It absolutely is, you kept bringing up the subjective vs. objective argument.
The objective truth is the legal rulings from the ICC court cited above.
Your subjective notion of what’s “philosophically true” cannot be objectively proven one way or the other. That’s the very nature of philosophy.
I gave you the citations from Biden stating his reasoning, I gave you the ruling from the ICC. These are all the legal standings surrounding Biden’s support of Israel.
If you want the objective truth, you have it, quoted and sourced. If you choose to reject it, well, I can’t help you with that.
Philosophy doesn’t enter into it, this is about legal liability and the facts are right behind what I’m telling you. Quoted, cited facts.
I’m not asking you to LIKE it. But you have to accept the reality that only a very small fringe believes Biden is to blame for this.
Not wrong, but Substack blogs are not news sources.
Again, not subjective. The ICC has charged Israel, not the United States, not Biden.
If the US were to blame for the Genocide, the ICC would have charged Biden right alongside Netanyahu just like they charged Putin over Ukraine, they did not.
But, like I say, it doesn’t really matter as the ICC rulings have no enforcement. Would be nice!
“On arrival, Netanyahu showed surprising interest in gas chamber operations…”