What a crock of shit
Protesting ICE gets you sentenced 30-100 years in prison … meanwhile people have the right to ask asylum, and the right on a just procedure, thats a human right for all of us… So ICE is against human rights and it’s also against European law … Thats crazy bro, america has become ruzzia and china 2.0
How many warnings have they ignored? How many promises have they broken?
They ignore us because business continues as usual.
Stand together, its time tor strikes.
Stop production. Stop profit. Stop business as usual.Let that be a lesson. If you’re going to get arrested for protesting against ICE, you may as well start killing them. It’s the same punishment anyway.
They might even kill you in the first place so you won’t ever need to serve the sentence
Because they want people to randomly attack authority figures. That will give them the justification to crack down HARD. The next few years will be rough.
Two people just got 50 years in prison as a mandatory minimum for allegedly slashing tires and setting off fireworks.
They’re already cracking down hard. We’re past the justification part.
You think this is cracking down hard? This is foreplay to them. Cracking down hard is when all pretext is gone and they start openly killing and jailing their political enemies and stripping them of their rights. This is them trying to get their opponents to take the bait and give them flimsy justification to do anything they want.
Well be good, don’t resist and lick them boots clean and maybe they won’t hurt you. Lots of us aren’t going to do it.
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They are literally already doing whatever they want what the fuck are you talking about.
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Cracking down hard is when all pretext is gone and they start openly killing and jailing their political enemies and stripping them of their rights.
Fred Hampton.
Yep. The far right cannot wait to see actual death squads taking orders from Donvict.
Honestly if it’s truly random I suspect it’d actually be hard for them to justify as easily compared to if it happened at a protest. If some ICE agent gets shanked and their wallet jacked while they’re smoking outside a hotel or something it’d be hard to justify it since that appears to just be pure crackhead behavior.
You know if people keep lying down baring their stomach they’re gonna crack down HARD anyway. So, ( ° ͜ʖ °)
They are already cracking down. I say it’s time to crack back.
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Lol says the dude obsessively drooling all over this thread. I don’t know what kind of BS point you think you have but I guarantee you you’re wasting your time with this weird line of thinking.
One got 100 years?
WTAF? So, these guys get harsh sentences, but the terrorists that assaulted the Capitol are treated as “patriots” by the asshats sitting in the WH right now?
This country is so fucked.
It’s always been like this. The fbi and cia hunted down the civil rights leaders and the vast majority of the kkk and southern lunch mob terrorists we’re able to hold positions of power with zero consequences. The only time the working class and oppressed minority groups were ever able to gain rights and privileges was through force and overwhelming multilateral solidarity.
southern lunch mob
Mmmmmm…
Lol
Oh boy that is a good story. Let me tell you a different one. The only reason we have the privileges we have today is because some wealthy people still think it matters. Change happens through convincing wealthy people to allow it.
France, who is far more violent than the US, freaked the fuck out when pension age was raised.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023_French_pension_reform_strikes
Results? Absolutely nothing.
People like to talk big and say civilization is only a couple of missed meals away from a revolution. The truth is the Great Depression in the US lasted over ten years and even as late as WWII 40% of men were turned away for malnourishment. Guess what? No revolution.
There is not going to be some magical point people will fight back and get their rights, that is just not how it works.
Wrong.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Union_violence_in_the_United_States
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Industrial_Workers_of_the_World
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Blair_Mountain
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colorado_Coalfield_War
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_incidents_of_civil_unrest_in_the_United_States
You are under the assumption that the rich are being forced. They aren’t.
Has the plight of working class turned some wealthy people’s ears that eventually afforded them some rights? Sure.
Can these rights be revoked at the wealthy’s whim? Certainly.
If you think organizing the poors is going to solve our problems you are in for a rude awakening.
There are certainly things we can do, but the least effective is going to be what you fantasize about.
A multilateral approach to revolution consisting of several factions statistically is the best approach to a successful revolution
Yeah, I was just pointing out the one thing you profess is the least likely to affect change in our modern world.
Needless to say you need to work on the other factions as you put it.
There’s plenty of factions currently fighting fascism but we do need some armed resistance groups. It’s coming. Writing is on the wall. We all better hope it is because the pedophile class you clearly believe has morals is bringing their genocide and total mass surveillance here. Maybe you can ask them nicely to care about us and you won’t have to watch your mother die while not being able to access healthcare for her like I did.
Yes it’s a war. Maybe we should all recognize that.
And with that, it’s complete. The United States is not dying - it’s dead. The government is under the control of open fascists, the rule of law is a thing of the past, democracy is dead and the Constitution has been wadded up and thrown away.
They’ll be bulldozing corpses into mass graves before long.
They’ll be bulldozing corpses into mass graves before long.
Already are just not in plain sight yet
Nah, in Gaza they’re making the Palestinians do it by hand.
My ancestors/people would take issue with that. They’ve been found in mass graves in the US and Canada for decades upon decades. Camps and mass graves are always the ultimate resort of the state. Every continent, every era. Generally the average person is safe enough to not have to worry about finding themselves in one. Surely the state would never turn on them to serve itself. Surely.
The United States is not dying - it’s dead.
A country that has been doing this since it’s inception is not dead because it continues to do this thing.
Wish it would die, but the Fascist States of Amerikkka grind on atop the bones of the honest, innocent, and good.
This is insane
In a statement, Song said he had fired at the police officer, Lt Thomas Gross, because Gross had his weapon drawn and Song believed he was about to shoot a protester.
“I never want to see good people, standing for what they believe in, gunned down in the street,” he said. "Now 21 people have been arrested, have been persecuted, have been punished. For knowing me or being my friend?
This is wrong. This is mass punishment.
Now we know the kinds of sentences to hand down when we re-try the Jan 6 Insurrectionists.
That’s a lot of hope for the future of a failing nation.
While deserving, this would require violating our own laws.
We cannot cut down all the trees to find the devil Mr. roper.
This reeks of “when they go low we go high,” laws can and will be changed. Odd to quote Threes Company but good show regardless of the qualms about doing the necessary to get this nation survivable again
It’s from A Man for All Seasons, a play that illustrates the importance of the rule of law.
William Roper: “So, now you give the Devil the benefit of law!”
Sir Thomas More: “Yes! What would you do? Cut a great road through the law to get after the Devil?”
William Roper: “Yes, I’d cut down every law in England to do that!”
Sir Thomas More: “Oh? And when the last law was down, and the Devil turned 'round on you, where would you hide, Roper, the laws all being flat? This country is planted thick with laws, from coast to coast, Man’s laws, not God’s! And if you cut them down, and you’re just the man to do it, do you really think you could stand upright in the winds that would blow then? Yes, I’d give the Devil benefit of law, for my own safety’s sake!
I like this a lot and will seek this play out. I appreciate the edification!
“antifa”, which is not an organization but rather a constellation of leftwing views.
Sorry, being anti fascist is not leftist. It’s everything other than being on the far right
Something’s missing. Setting aside the 1 person who was violent. A jury of their peers convicted of others for what amounts to minor vandalism, and the sentence was decades in prison? Has the system completely failed citizens standing up for what’s right?
It’s completely insane. I know that prison terms are decided by the judges (within the windows of their charges), but I cannot for the life of me believe that 8 or however many ‘impartial’ jurors decided that terrorism charges for 50, 70, and 100 years were OK. There’s just no fucking way.
A murder charge gets you at max 99 years in Texas. The guy who shot the officer didn’t even kill him. There’s evidence that was withheld from the court that the officer drew first.
I cannot believe so many people in this country and around the world are OK with outright tyranny. I might as well be a separate species than them
Last time I served on a jury they didn’t tell us what the sentence would be and also said we can’t take sentencing or sympathy into account.
They try real fucking hard to make sure the Jury doesn’t actually do anything
Stuff like that is why not not avoiding jury duty is so important.
Aren’t you an imperial project since you settled in 1416?
What?
What country are you talking about, the Spanish colonization, or the British one?
I’m not seeing 1416 being referenced in either of those.
Settlements started prior to colonization. Which is why I am asking for precision on “OK with outright tyranny.”
Need to know Upvoters’ flavors.
What are you talking about, shut up dude. Yeah, the Americas were colonized and shouldn’t have. What does that have to do with fucking anything about this
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Oh shut the fuck up.
Just block the dumb fuck. There are a few accounts that I’m not convinced aren’t the same person. Every post they spam dumbass shit like this that’s not at all relevant to the discussion. They use the forum to just talk shit about stuff that happened hundreds of years ago. Best to just not engage and block.
Honestly, when they’re this open and stupid about it, I prefer that because it’s easier to pick out bad actors for the blocking.
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You genuinely sound like a clown, even if your anti colonialist stance is correct. Please for the good of the species, just stop talking.
It’s Texas…
That requires enough of the citizens to not be absolute sheep. The loudest most confident people are often some of the dumbest and unfortunately most influential. Even on juries.
People who think for themselves don’t make it through the jury selection process.
This is why I won’t go to Texas
Authoritarianism is an admission of abject weakness.
A healthy, broadly educated population, which feels safe and secure, is incompatible with, and toxic to, conservative and authoritarian ideologies.
They need you to be sick, stupid, and scared.
Reading the article, the guy who shot an officer with an AK probably should get time while the people who were just setting off fireworks and slashing tires, probably a misdemeanor, all things equal. (It being a government vehicle might count it as a felony, though IANAL).
The part that should disturb people isn’t their arrest, but the upcharge to terrorism, which frankly has been a potential problem we’ve had since Bush era politics but only now getting utilized in this way. That changes due process, and if they continue to push for those types of charges, that’s a problem and patriot act era laws absolutely need to get reversed if we’re to ever really be safe.
That said, just to clarify those who only read the headline: this isn’t the administration just targeting political opponents and calling them antifa to get them arrested. They got arrested for crimes like vandalism and assault and the antifa terrorism crap was tagged on. You’re still mostly safe to participate in peaceful protests, so continue putting on pressure.
I don’t know if they mentioned it in this article but the guy shot an officer after they pointed their gun at a protester. After the other murders by ICE it could definitely be argued it was defensive, and that they had weapons, which is a constitutional right (especially in Texas), to defend against potential far-right attackers.
Honestly it all sounds like they just need some better lawyers and a non trump judge. And they have a right to request a trial by jury
One of them got 30 years for distributing pamphlets.
You’re referring to this part?
“Prosecutors in the case charged and secured conviction of eight of the nine defendants for providing material support for terrorists. The ninth defendant, Daniel Sanchez-Estrada was not at the protest, but was convicted of corruptly concealing a document or record after prosecutors said he moved leftwing zines and other materials at the request of Rueda, his wife, after she was arrested. Sanchez-Estrada was sentenced to 30 years in prison on Tuesday.”
I don’t know the details but it sounds like a concealment charge, which again isn’t much of a thing unless you’re falsely charged with terrorism. It’s not so much the zines as the association-- but 30 years is again, obviously bullshit.
I can’t look into specifics now, but is that one able to appeal? I recall it’s the odd case of the 9.
I don’t know the details but it sounds like a concealment charge, which again isn’t much of a thing unless you’re falsely charged with terrorism. It’s not so much the zines as the association-- but 30 years is again, obviously bullshit.
That said, just to clarify those who only read the headline: this isn’t the administration just targeting political opponents and calling them antifa to get them arrested. They got arrested for crimes like vandalism and assault and the antifa terrorism crap was tagged on.
It sounds an awful lot like this is the administration just targeting political opponents by calling them antifa to get them arrested.
His sentencing should be in line with the same amount of time that the people who murdered Renee Good and Alex Peretti got.
I know you’re making the point that ICE murderers should be tried and convicted, but real talk, the Jan 6 convictions (mentioned in the article) are more in line with what a violent conviction would look like).
They, of course, got pardoned… but naturally if the system worked as intended, pardons wouldn’t exist or be needed and sentencing wouldn’t be politically motivated. Ironically at this point the only possibility for justice for these 9 are pardons, though…
Seems like the shot in the arm was to prevent the ice killing another person https://prairielanddefendants.com/defendant-writings/statement-by-benjamin-champagne-song/
When the dust settles, we’ll see. It’s unfortunately difficult to prove something like that, but if we ever overcome fascism (hopefully peacefully…) then the case can be revisited or they can be pardoned. At the very least, I can believe that was their intention, though.
Yeah at least some of these guys definitely deserve long prison sentences. Protests should not result in officers getting shot.
You can’t really blame the state for harshly cracking down on these types of activities. Look what happened with Waco. It’s not new.
Obviously different scales and some people got hit with obviously inflated sentences (guy got 30 years and didnt even go to protest). Definitely politically motivated
But just a message to the young people. You will probably not change the world in prison. The surveillance state is omniscient and heavy handed.
They should release the body cam footage of the ICE officer. Something smells off.
Woah.
The USA is a Nazi occupied state and all who support the current regime are complicit in its actions
Fortunately there’s very few that support Trump. And it’s always been a small minority
I wish that were true. And while they are a minority, it’s not THAT small of a minority of the 350-400million population. 30% is still a fuckton of people.
Yes, that’s how percents work.
So basically protesting against ICE is worse than raping children in USA.
Fascism.
Elect a Democrat and pardon them all like Traitor Trump did for 1,500 insurrectionists.
The democrat is more likely to issue blanket pardons to trump and company in hopes of “moving forward” in a spirit of bipartisan good will.
It sickens me that you’re probably right. That asswipe will never see a day in prison even though he and others in his administration deserve it so much.
Biden pardoned the kids for cash judge.
It’s not left vs right, it’s the global corporatists vs a very divided ‘everyone else.’
This is how it always has been ever since the first monarchies
They literally shot an ar15 at the cop… And it connected.
Only if by “cop” you mean “subhuman gestapo thug about to murder people for exercising their free speech rights.”
Only after the jackboot pointed a loaded weapon at innocent people. You don’t point a gun at someone unless you intend to kill them. That hero saved innocent lives.
One out of like 8 people convicted.
You can read the shooter’s statment here. He’s a hero.
Hopefully they will be pardoned once we purge
I wish I still had your capacity for hope.
This is state, so Texas would need a normal governor first.
