At least make the offer enticing, give Canada the option to join as 10 states (one per province); giving them an allotment of the 435 house seats and 20 senators.
I’m pretty sure that would be more than enough to swing the house, senate and presidency towards the left for the next few generations at least.
Canada could literally save the US if that were the case.
Translation: he’s probably trolling.
Kill him. He only deserves a bullet.
U S perspective here.
I keep remembering that oath our armed forces repeat so much: “… To defend against all enemies, foreign and domestic.”
What in the flippin’ hell do these bastards gotta do to be considered “domestic enemies”‽
Because apparently directly provoking all our neighbors to attack us out of self defense, or allying with friggin’ Putin, along with a million other treasons, aren’t qualifying enough? Who over there is gonna actually protect and defend the Constitution and the People of the United States of America?!
Because dammit we haven’t lived this frickin long, through countless crises and bullshit, just to get shot or bombed by a Canadian we should’ve been sharing pancakes and beer with!!!
FULFILL THAT OATH YOU LIKE TO RECITE SO MUCH. OR COUNTLESS INNOCENT PEOPLE ARE GOING TO DIE OVER ORANGE CALIGULA’S EGO.
I guess it’s time for a preemptive strike Canada, don’t wait until it’s too late.
And we aren’t trolling when we say you’ll sign your own death warrant, as a nation, and as a person.
the richest nation on earth with a military budget larger than the domestic budget of dozens of countries combined, couldnt stomach a fight against dirt poor cavemen, armed with cold war and WW2 relics, on the other side of the world, who were so culturally alien to them, they might as well have been from mars. And you’re going to pick a fight with people who all they have to do is wear a Bruins hat and they pass for an American?
Ask the Russians how the occupation of their Ukrainian cousins territory has worked out. If you could speak to the dead that is. Those who are still alive, live looking over their shoulder for the rest of their lives.
The Russian occupation is actually turning out more or less fine, the Russian government is better at finding and eliminating organized dissent than at pretty much anything else. They’ve been having some trouble against the regular army however
couldnt stomach a fight against dirt poor cavemen
And yet, you think you haven’t succumbed to American brainrot.
Yeah, because the Taliban are the pinnacle of a sophisticated, civilized society, worthy of worldwide emulation.
/s since it’s sadly necessary these days.
It just sounds weird to call your enemies cavemen honestly. I know they’re the fucking Taliban and stuff, but there’s something to it that is hard to explain. If we’d be talking about Sam Losco on the other hand, that’d be a different story as that guy is a literal caveman.
Speaking as a Canadian… Yes, we know.
You guys had the most trustworthy, most reliable ally ever. The faith and trust between Canada and the US was legendary.
That’s gone now. It’ll be a century or more before you can ever rebuild that trust.
And you threw it away for this drooling moron to play tinpot dictator.
Was it worth it?
For him and his administration? Yes, it was worth it. Destroying that was the entire point.
Call his bluff.
Ya’ll are about the size of, and politically left of, California. 54 of 538 electoral votes. 52 of 435 members in the House of Representatives. You’d be another California.
You’re the last thing that the GOP wants involved in US politics.
If you hate Trump, you can drive a wedge between him and the GOP simply by reminding us that you have universal healthcare, and you intend to spread it.
That implies that Canada would be given representation instead of some inferior “possession” status like Puerto Rico. Just because he says he’d make it a state doesn’t mean anything more than any other splat of his verbal diarrhea.
That depends on there still being elections
There will be elections.
Whether we use touch screens or guillotines to cast our ballots is an unanswered question. But there will be elections.
Aaaand when will these so called elections happen?
Was it worth it?
Southerners: “Yes, but we get to abuse brown people again!”
And say the “R-word” apparently
Redneck?
Can some of us, uh, join you though?
Honestly I’ve been worrying for years that the only way the US is going to resolve this division and hostility within their country is by breaking up, possibly largely along red state/blue state lines, and hopefully not triggering a violent (or god forbid nuclear) civil war in the process.
But I can say as a Canadian, if it does come to that, and you guys can’t take back your country (which I really think you can, once you start to accept what is happening and accept that it’s gonna hurt and you dig your heels in anyway, I don’t think there’s anyone who will be able to take you down, not even Trump and crew), then we would be absolutely happy to quickly rebuild and strengthen our relationship with most of the blue states. And however you end up wanting to arrange yourselves in the end, we’ll work with that. And if you guys genuinely wanted our help, our resources, our logistical support, even our protection (what little we can provide), if things were to start looking like actual civil war, I’m sure we’d absolutely be willing to figure out what sort of arrangement is actually going to work. We’d have to at least initially discuss it as equals and as partners though, I don’t think we’d ask you or coerce you to give up your sovereignty, any more than we’d want you to take ours. But if the intention to join Canada was a popular attitude, I expect we’d be willing to consider it, probably after some cooling-off period though to make sure it’s not just a passing fad. The progressive parts of America are the parts we’ve always loved. If you guys come knocking on our door needing a couch to crash on we’re not going to ask how long you need to stay, we’re just going to go find pillows and blankets.
the only way the US is going to resolve this division and hostility within their country is by breaking up
No part of the US should be left to the fascists. They need to be crushed everywhere, in the US and globally. We are not going to sell out decent people in red states to be enslaved and oppressed just to make our lives easier.
Or, as the last decent Republican put it: the union must be preserved at all costs.
And this time we finish Reconstruction.
i honestly think that applies to most of the world: pretty much everyone will back the blue states, because the red states are friendless right-wing nut jobs compared to pretty much the entire west… and it’s not like china would come to their “rescue” - they probably dislike them more than the rest of us even!
Same. I don’t honestly know how we recover as a country. Trump isn’t the cause, he’s a symptom. A tumour with a much larger cancerous problem underneath. At no point will the sane (and actual majority of us) roll over and become fascists. But at the same time, I don’t see how the third of the country that has gone full fascist suddenly regains their sanity and joins us.
The USSR’s goal was to divide us, and the Cold War never ended, it just went underground. There is a large part of me that is afraid at this point Balkanization is our future. But how we would we even get there without causing death and destruction?
But regardless of sentiments about losing faith in us (and I don’t blame those that feel that way, they are warranted) I do love you all who recognize that not all of us are the insane ones that make it on TV. We do still value our brothers/sisters/enbys to the north and are proud that we have a friendship unparalleled and the world’s longest undefended border. The world is a often a dark and scary place, but it’s friendships like these that make it worthwhile.
I appreciate you internet stranger.
You’ve put it very well. And as someone that lives in BC, I agree wholeheartedly.
You guys are the best. I’m just south of you in the PNW and want us to always have each other’s backs.
❤️,seriously.
There’s an immigration process, go ahead and apply if you want.
the simple truth is that 95% of these people are not able to immigrate, they aren’t wealthy, they aren’t skilled. No country would take them.
Immigration is a tedious process, Its a pipe dream for many. For a time I thought I would Immigrate to the UK when I was dating someone there, years later I realized I didnt have a chance in hell unless we were married. that was the only path that was available to me.
As a Millennial whose teen years were filled with adults pushing me to gO To cOLleGe constantly, I’m pretty pissed. I could make and fill a Bingo card of bullshit reasons people repeated ad nauseum, yet in retrospect there is one critical reason that nobody mentioned - that if you want to emigrate, other countries only want you if you’re “educated.” (Or “skilled.”)
I can’t imagine most adults I knew were even aware of the requirements for becoming a citizen in another country. I had dreams of moving to Canada at that age, so if somebody had known, it would’ve been a very convincing argument on me. For those that don’t know - the system is set up to prevent most people from going anywhere, but having a specialized degree makes you desirable internationally. It’s one of the few ways that ordinary (read: non-wealthy) people have that allows them to move to a new country.
Well, if anyone wants to marry a Canadian, I’m single.
I assume certain short-term things will get better with anyone less crazy than Trump, but I agree the US is no longer reliable for anything long-term, and no other country should deal with us on the assumption that we’ll give up certain short-term advantages for a long term stability within our sphere of influence. It’s not even that the US was “good” (though I imagine the next hegemonic power could easily be worse), but across administrations, the US was generally intelligent about how to leverage its influence but retain enough goodwill to continue to do so indefinitely.
This administration is showing the world how poorly codified and vulnerable the US democracy is.
We learned that last time Trump was president that most of our country has been run on gentlemen’s agreements. It was news to a lot of us as well.
I think a huge part of the problem is that it’s run on Gentlemen’s agreements but we pretend it’s not. The UK’s “Constitution” is a hodgepodge of laws and court cases and things that probably closer to treaties than anything else. It’s a mess, but they know it’s a mess so there’s a very real sense that the gentlemen’s agreements are important and as real as anything else.
In America, we worship our Constitution like a holy text, but so many of our institutional controls depend on Judicial Review (which is not technically mentioned in the constitution), on following along with the presumed intent, and on fudging around the edges when it’s obvious the machinery of the state would grind to a halt if we had to amend it every time a novel situation arose. Yet, nevertheless, we have an entire school of thought built around the idea of shallow surface readings. The “originalists,” not to put too fine a point on it, are fucking idiots.
If you get the idea that the only important thing is the blackletter text agreed to by a gaggle of 18th century provincials, many of whom were intelligent and well-intentioned, but all of whom were elites and either slave-owners or okay with hanging out with slave owners, then you have a recipe for considering stupid shit like presidential immunity or having a speaker of the house who’s not a Congressperson and who can become president despite already serving two full terms, because it doesn’t explicitly say you can’t. It’s childish and dangerous, and their ascendancy in the judicial branch is a travesty.
Yup. I joked that we’re still on Constitutional Republic version 2.27, and not only is the next point release long overdue, but we should really have upgraded to version 3 or 4 by now.
Woah, we only just finally left the beta and are on constitution republic 1.27. The articles of confederation is more of an alpha test that was not good and tried the constitutions and while it worked, it never left the beta stage as , it just used spaghetti code that led to the civil war, which people wanted to upgrade to the first release won and started the reconstruction era, and caused the final release of 1.15. The south downgraded it back to beta after using violence to restrict people rights and remake the antebellum south under beta 15.01. We finally left after the civil rights movement forced them to put it at 1.25, with no restrictions on people rights. Though we need to not upgrade yet as someone is trying to install banana republic instead.
Sorry… 😞
No. I have zero interest in your apologies. Not you, not any American whose first instinct is to tell us how sorry they are. I’m sure you’re all wonderful people, but we’re well past the point where that matters.
I never, ever, want to hear the word “Sorry” from any of your lips while I’m living with the reality that people I love might die to American bombs and bullets. I am not obligated to assuage your fucking conscience by dignifying your apologies while you all sit around hanging your heads in worthless shame.
We do not want or need your apologies. We want your rage. Get angry. Get out in the streets. Fucking do something.
And when Trump is gone and every last fascist has been hunted down and your government is run like an actual democracy, and your voters have learned how to value and respect friendships with countries outside of your own… Then you can come to us and say sorry.
That seems like a beauty way to go.
“In fact, we don’t want them to make cars for us. We want to make our own cars. We don’t need their lumber. We don’t need their energy. We don’t need anything from Canada. And I say the only way this thing really works is for Canada to become a state.”
So he DOES need things from us. If he didn’t need us he’d just walk away and not trade with us. But why would he he want us as a state if we didn’t have something he wanted?
He DOES need us, our workers, and our resources but he doesn’t like that we’re our own sovereign nation. He needs us but he wants us enslaved and controlled.
I think this bears repeating.
We will make you forget Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghanistan. The insurrection will be continent wide and we will just walk over the border and start looting weapons.
We are tougher than anyone thinks and can survive just fine pretending to be homeless or just in your woods or in a looted home.
We will live among you indistinguishable until something good to blow up comes along, or an American needs tied to a tree with their dick in their mouth.
You’ll never feel safe. You’ll never be safe.
Promise.
The Geneva Convention did need an update
Geneva Checklist.
IEDs. Just sayin’.
Gooning to a theoretical war is wild.
The US’ infrastructure is incredibly weak and vulnerable, and there are about a million(!) Canadians living in the US – and that doesn’t include dual citizens which is probably double that.
So it’ll be nothing for Canadians living in the US to fuck shit up in a major way. How many refineries do you think the US can lose before people can’t buy gas anymore? Those Amazon warehouses look pretty flammable. Datacentres would probably burn pretty good too. How long will it take to replace those high-power transmission line transformers? How is the East Coast going to power itself when Canada stops powering them? How are US airports going to operate when there’s small drones continuously overhead? In fact given the hub-and-spoke design of US air travel, only a few airports need to be droned to completely shut down air travel across the US, including shipping. On a final note, only a few hundred grams of thermite can melt of hole through a wing or a fibreglas hull, so a lot of VERY expensive billionaire and government hardware can be reduced to ash with nothing but a small drone and a pissed-off Canadian.
You’re making it sound way harder than it is, The US has like 4? substations that if they all went down at once it would cascade fail about 90% of the grid, they aren’t in bunkers or surrounded by armed guards or anything, they’re random ass substations with chain link fences around them.
Not to mention us Americans who would fight and sabotage for Canadian forces.
If a Canadian tank rolled down the street the next day, I would run out asking to go with them
Just a reminder to non-canadians that a core part of Canadian identity has always been not being American. It’s a quasi-colonized pov. Make it real and it will be life-or-death for many many folk.
Russia Ukraine vibes
We’re not always great a describing who we are, but we sure as fuck know who we are not.
Yep, I frequently hear people bitching about the state of things in Canada and someone almost always follows up with “eh it could be worse, at least we’re not murican”
Fuck murica.
Hopefully the Canadians will team up with blue states and we can fight any war he tries inflicting on Canada. I am moving from Texas if we ever invade Canada, most likely Washington
dont worry, the Police , Red State Military, and Private Militias will already have arrested , put a gun to the head of, or straight up killed any potential blue state rebel figureheads before they make a move like invading Canada or Mexico.
this is black and white, a Fascist coup that has taken over America.
I think that we Canadians would be more than happy to add to the Geneva checklist should it come to this.
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Please don’t view AMERICA as your enemy, just MAGA. They may be in control of the government at the moment, but they don’t control us.
Remember that HitlerPig’s following is only about 1/3 of the country, and they are breath-takingly stupid. MOST of Americans are your allies, and will happily fight alongside you to take both of our countries back from the Nazis.
I’d have agreed with you 10 years ago. In 2025, any American who is not already fighting (and I mean fighting, not “protesting”) MAGA is my enemy. Try us.
Grow up. These things happen in stages, and we aren’t at the violence stage yet. We owe it to ourselves, and the world, to try our hardest to resolve this existential problem with every other option we have before getting to the violence. Hopefully, we can avoid it all together. An American Civil War would have ripple effects that will have negative repercussions on the rest of the world, and being right next door means it will be worse for you than anyone else.
And you need to understand the same far right attack on America by global fascist forces is also happening in Europe, Central and South America, Australia, Asia, and CANADA. They came after America first, so we won’t be there to protect other nations, but once they have us under control, YOU are next. You don’t want to alienate those who will be your closest allies when the Nazis come for you.
Your comment was clearly meant for the US in, like, 2004. Not sure how it found its way here.
Every Soldier in the Wehrmact who was in Allied territory, was an enemy, regardless of his opinion of Hitler and the party
Every Soldier in the Russian Army, or shitbag Mercenary who is in Ukraine, is an enemy, regardless of their opinion of Putin and Russkiy Mir
Any American who decides to just go along with orders of an invasion of an allied country , will be treated as such. An illegal occupant, an enemy combatant, a legitimate target.
No matter how anyone wants to spin it. Soldiers have options, they may be thrown in the brig for insubordination, they may be forced to frag their officer and go AWOL. But choosing to just go along with your orders, Illegal or otherwise, is complicit guilt in the crime.
I’m not talking about an invading army. By all means, you should treat them with as much lethal force as you can muster. But the vast majority of Americans are as against that invading army as you are. Any American soldier who does not respond to orders to invade by defecting, is considered a MAGA traitor, and is fair game, by both Canada and American Patriots.
“Just following orders” is never a justification. Following illegal orders is illegal.
I hear ya, and mean this with all due respect and just as a counterpoint.
I think the world, and especially Canada, aren’t wrong to expect Americans as a whole to not let it get to that point - democratically, seriously. We have been, happily and willingly, consuming an entire culture of freedom and defence against tyranny. Your news is our news, including all of the violence and rationalization of it - defence of freedom.
We know your massive protests and hard won civil rights because your media is our media just like your products are our bilateral lifelines.
If it gets to the point of invasion I think it’s fair to consider all of America having stabbed us in the back.
Edit: just to try and be lighter about it - it’s like we all took in your movies and books and documentaries but America themselves in a staggering ratio seem to have missed the point or identified the wrong protagonist.
If it gets to the point of invasion I think it’s fair to consider all of America having stabbed us in the back.
Please rethink that. MAGA represents a small and shrinking number of Americans. Many millions of us voted against them, and yet they used their nefarious resources to rig the election and take power. We have been stabbed in the back as much as you would be.
If the MAGA Nazis decide to invade Canada, you can double your forces by calling on the Patriotic Americans who want the Nazis out as much as you do.
AMERICA is not your enemy, MAGA is. Please remember that, we are on YOUR side, and want to assist you in defeating MAGA. If it comes down to an invasion of Canada, MAGA will have an Army, and Canada will have an Army, and the American Patriots will have motivated fighters who will enthusiastically assist the Canadian army to defend your sovereignty, and we are spread all over America. Make use of that valuable resource, and your defeat of MAGA will be much easier.
We’re waiting with bated breath.
We are, too. The tipping point is coming, but it is always impossible to predict how or when that will happen. But make no mistake, it WILL happen.
Just the South, and they have been the enemy of humanity for centuries, because they care far less about America than they do about their own racism, so much so that they went to war with America in the name of racism.
Ignorance and authoritarian sympathies aren’t drawn on an east west or north south basis anymore.
No, but they originated from the South.
I grew up in a lovely midwestern town, then nafta ended and the vile filth infested us and brought their crime and drugs with them, my town became a nightmare in 2 years.
The rest of the country didn’t want slavery, they didn’t want Jim Crow, they didn’t try to elect segregationists.
Our evil was very, VERY centralized, and it was our mistake for not dealing with them properly after the civil war and preventing their pestilence from spreading.
No, but they originated from the South.
FFS, how do you think Jim Crow ended?
If Southern anti-segregationists and civil rights groups had not stood firm against discrimination, Jim Crow would have never ended.
“Southerners” is not a synonym for ex-slaveowners and segregationists. Denigrating the entirety of the South for the actions of a few is gross.
Also, your remarks have lead me to believe that you seem to think racism simply never existed in the North, which is just an entirely laughable concept.
Some of the most violent resistance to the civil rights movement, was in Chicago, a lovely Midwestern town as you might put it.
If Southern anti-segregationists and civil rights groups had not stood firm against discrimination, Jim Crow would have never ended.
Please, the south stood firm for discrimination, they stood so firm the south switched parties en masse in reaction to civil rights.
Just like 100 years earlier the south had to be drug to decency at gunpoint.
Also, your remarks have lead me to believe that you seem to think racism simply never existed in the North, which is just an entirely laughable concept.
I am brown, and partly grew up in the south, and Midwest, and the coasts.
PLEASE!!! Lecture me on how racism is equal everywhere and not just massively and brutally expressed in the south.
I am DYING to hear how my experiences were all a lie.
Many of us have reason to hate the south, just like I’m sure a lot of Jews had bad feelings about the nazis.
And the nazis actually copied many of their policies from the south verbatim, particularly the Nuremberg Laws from Jim crow.
If the south had a single grain of decency and shame within them, they’d spontaneously combust, lucky for them they don’t.
A geographical region is not uniform in it’s beliefs. You can dislike an area without claiming everyone who lives there is evil.
It is idiotic (and fascistic) to say that the ENTIRE population of an ENTIRE geographic region are ALL demons. It’s simply not true.
If you grew up in the south, you are literally self-deprecating by saying such things.
Hey, just a lone Canuck on a 10 state fire season careless smoking tour of the wests national forests oughta do it. People forget that we’re largely upwind.
And upstream, but that’s a whole other level of sabotage.
All I’ll say is I’ll be watching where fire bans are in effect if it ever comes to that.
I love the energy. But if you’re gonna compare Canada to Vietnam I have to point out the obvious geographic and climate differences; along with its proximity and distance from the US.
Get nukes Canada. Seriously, how do you guys not have fucking nukes?
You might consider being the Cuba/USSR with China of this generation. Not even kidding.
We’re taking care of their military. We’re taking care of every aspect of their lives, and we don’t need them to make cars for us,” Trump told Time. “In fact, we don’t want them to make cars for us. We want to make our own cars. We don’t need their lumber. We don’t need their energy. We don’t need anything from Canada. And I say the only way this thing really works is for Canada to become a state.
Then stop importing and we’ll see how long before it’s a problem for the people.
Truly the dumbest timeline
China is walking this dumbass like a dog. How about we don’t tie ourselves to this sinking ship.
Russia is a dying country, and they’re trying to graft the Ukrainian Population onto itself to buy itself another generation
America is also probably a dying country, for different reasons, not population but resource. and they’re trying to graft whatever resources they dont have in abundance , so they can survive another generation or two and shut themselves off from the world whilst they tear themselves apart domestically.
I like to idly game this out because it truly reflects how narcissistic and uninformed he is. So, he’s talking about admitting Canada as a single state. Lets assume somehow that happens, even though the Canadians themselves would undoubtedly push for as many states as possible if joining the US were the only option.
You’ve now got a new largest state by both population and area, and one that has ridiculous reserves of resources and a coast-to-coast infrastructure. It instantly becomes the most important state. It’s also full of millions of people who didn’t want to be Americans and who’ve had a hundred years of more progressive governance than the US. Congratulations, Republicans, you’ve just skewed the Senate and completely fucked yourself in the House for a generation or more. You’ve also got 8 or 9 million Francophones who weren’t even entirely sure they wanted to be CANADIANS, much less Americans, to say nothing of being Americans in a MAGA world. This is how real troubles begin.
So, in return for dubious “improvements” to the trade deficit, and certain (what?) administrative conveniences (I guess) for a military that already had basically all the access anyone would ever need, as well as a giant buffer territory you’re not politically committed to defending with the same gusto you would your own soil, you completely upset the balance of power in Congress to your own party’s detriment and add a huge population that hates their situation. Brilliant.
Although, I guess if you’re just done with free and fair elections then a lot of these concerns evaporate…
We’d be joined through the Puerto Rico route, as a territory. No representation. The 51 state is just a ruse to get the 17th territory, or whatever the number is.
I’m so fucking tired of Americans saying shit like “omg Canada as the 51st state would totally skew our elections Democrat, get owned Trump!”
The reality is, in any scenario where Canada gets annexed by the US, American democracy will not exist anymore by then. Even if there are fake elections, we’d most likely not be allowed to vote (à la Puerto Rico, as you point out).
I do appreciate someone pointing out how utterly enraged us Francophones would be if subjected to US rule.
Yeah, I guess just assuming ill intent and fascism makes it a simpler discussion that’s still perfectly reasonable.
Doesn’t matter. He wants Canada because it is big on the map and if America had it then America would look bigger on the map and if it was at its biggest when Trump was president that would mean Trump was the best US president ever in every history book for all time. Same thing with Greenland.
It’s actually useful to note that Canada+USA together (19.8 sq km) is bigger than Russia (17m sq km) by about an India (3m sq km), but still short of the former USSR (22m sq km). But add in Greenland (2.3)? Now you’ve got the biggest country that ever existed.
You’re right, making an America that is the largest country on earth is precisely what his ego is after.
I do unironically believe the Mercator projection has influenced how much he talks about Greenland.
In school I remember them teaching us that it had a psychological effect that we think Northern countries are more important than Southern ones because they’re bigger and on top and I am totally 100% on board with that line of thought
You’re not wrong. It looks so much bigger than the 2.1m sq km that it is. In fact, it’s 100k smaller than the Democratic Republic of the Congo. When you look at a Mercator map, Greenland looks comparable to the entire continent of Africa.
He’s so eloquent when he speaks, like listening to a butterfly’s wings wafting over a boiling toilet
It’s not him trolling us, it’s his dementia trolling us. Or maybe his plain old stupidity. Honestly it’s hard to tell at this point.
