Is it also illegal for me to levitate? Or to move objects with my mind?
Well, cloud seeding is a real thing, but it’s not a thing the US does, as far as I know.
I’m pretty sure there are a handful of states that cloud seed. It has nothing to do with the imaginary chem trails though.
I wonder if they’ll outlaw dousing
It’s not illegal it just costs $10,000 (via a fine) to chemtrail people into gayness.
See’s man made cloud due to the action of cold metal ripping through the sky “ZOMG ITS TEH LIBS POISONING MY AIR” jumps in vehicle modified to spew toxic pitch black clouds at the push of a button and drunkenly crashes into the preschool “THIS AIN’T MY FAULT!”
In 1996 a cropduster was an American hero. Thirty years later, he’d be arrested for terrorism just doing his job.
We learned a lot from the green revolution.
We should be arresting people for spraying chemicals that cause health issues in farm workers.
Condensation trails are not caused by spraying harmful chemicals.
Bro, that’s like middle school science
Any middle school subject can be a high school subject if enough people fail at grasping the basics.
@MelodiousFunk @dantheclamman I didn’t learn about chemtrails in high school contrary to all the sarcastic comments i see every time this comes up.’
I used to hear people talking about chemtrails and i’d have to picture what they’re saying. Then one day when I was an adult someone online showed a picture of a “chemtrail” and I laughed for a solid 30 seconds straight.
Such an innocuous thing. I googled what caused it and it made perfect sense and I stopped caring even a little about chemtrails.
It’s not that you specifically learned about chem trails, I doubt anyone did. It’s that your high school science class taught critical thinking and how to properly evaluate evidence instead of just taking everything you hear as fact
That’s why you were about to see the picture of “chemtrails” later, laugh it off, find (and trust) the science based explanation with data behind it, and ignore the paranoia
@mysteriousquote 100%
I grew up in the desert in Cali near an airport. I’m not like a plane expert but I’m certainly just comfortable around them and what they look like in the sky. The idea that the trailing clouds would terrify someone just tickles me pink.
I agree with you and have very little to contribute to this conversation, but “tickles me pink” makes me think of my mother, whom I miss dearly. Sincerely, thank you for reminding me of some of the conversations I shared with her.
“I have a problem with people spraying perfume around me sometimes, don’t you have a problem with people spraying things into the atmosphere that really have no type of empirical data, that you just don’t know who they are or what they’re doing?” said Sen. Ileana Garcia, R-Coral Gables, the bill’s sponsor, on Thursday morning.
Suddenly no longer a climate change denier.
The difference being we do know who they are and why they’re doing it, it’s just our leaders aren’t doing enough to stop them because of “The Economy”.
No more flights to Florida, I guess.
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Thing that doesn’t happen is now illegal, got it. Glad to see Florida tackling the big problems facing its citizens.
Wait till you see what Florida has banned for gay folks on the basis of “things that dont happen”
I think Canada issued a travel advisory telling their queer citizens not to travel to Florida, due to the high risks
I want them to pass this.
It would be interesting how they would enforce it.
Would they ban all planes? Or maybe just ignore the law? Or maybe start saying “these are not chemtrails, these are contrails, those are ok”.
If the state decides to ignore any kind of court telling them otherwise, then I would imagine Florida would no longer have flyovers from any airline, and any aircraft capable of producing a contrail or wingtip vortex would no longer operate in the state.
Goodbye florida airports, I guess.
Contrails are generated by condensation of water vapor in engine exhaust. They’re not caused by wingtip vortices. All powered aircraft (besides electric ones) will generate contrails under the appropriate conditions. Contrail is in fact a contraction of “condensation trail”.
That’s why I specified or wingtip vortex.
In some situations you can see a trail behind a wingtip that can persist. although doesn’t leave the huge vapor cloud that lingers for hours, I have heard plenty of
peopleconspiracy nuts refer to them as “Chem trails” right along with the actual contrail. Living near an airport, you get all kinds of crazy.
I would normally agree with you but… this is legitimately something the constituents want. They are scared of the chem trails. Regardless that they aren’t real. To the voters it looks like the politicians are stepping up and doing what needs to be done.
It’s kinda terrifying.
you might as well go right out and say that having an education higher than a 5th grader should also be banned.
I seriously hope they pass this. And then I want to see them start using it against airlines.
Conservatives seem to think all contrails are “chemtrails”
Florida’s tourist economy is going to collapse when no one can fly there unless they’re in a prop plane.
I’m happy for them though, they’ve really earned it.Props can have contrails, too. Just can’t fly anymore.
You could keep flying any plane, but they would be capped at a 20,000ish feet flight ceiling while in Florida airspace. Which would make traffic a lot worse and the flights significantly more expensive.
And prop planes are awful to ride in cause it’s so god damn loud!
Would be beneficial for the climate and the boat companies.
Chemtrails are hardly a political thing, c’mon. Though being uneducated and thinking science is akin to religion is a conservative thing.
And crop dusting, ffs. Spraying actual chemicals on our food is totally fine for these people.
Alternatively phrased: Florida proposes ban on planes from flying in or over it.
That would be some incredible malicious compliance. “We couldn’t make sure our planes didn’t leave ‘chem trails,’ so we just don’t fly to your state anymore.”
Only prop planes allowed
Or they could ban condensation I suppose
If any state in America needed to be declared a no-fly zone…
Cloud seeding is different than contrails. Think 99% of the people in this thread are confusing the two and making ignorant statements. They’re banning the former, not the latter.
Either you’re over-estimating the intelligence of the politicians that did this, or underestimating the stupidity of the people who are for the bill. I’m not sure yet which it is.
I mean, read the bill yourself. It’s banning cloud seeding. The politicians just lied and made it sound like the bill is going after conspiratorial chemtrails. It’s almost as if no one has read the fucking article with how much disagreement I’ve gotten.
Bro, the article says it’s phrased as cloud seeding and that they want to “debunk” chemtrails, but read the rest of the article about how it’s being presented by De Santis and others. The bill is also being sold for the electorate that believes this will ban chemtrails.
You’re not levitating above the rest of us with your big brain.
You didn’t even read my comment, because you’re literally repeating what I just said.
Whatever, I’m done responding to this damn thread.
Bye!
They’re banning the former thinking they are banning the latter, THAT is the main issue here.
Right, but read the whole thread and there are tons who think that the people who crafted the bill also think that. Only a couple of the politicians are going down the chemtrail route and marketing it that way, which is why the bill itself is literally written to talk about geoengineering and cloud seeding and not fucking chemtrails.
Excuse me sir we have American educations. It’s rich of you to think we know the difference between former and latter.
Do states even have “sovereign airspace”?
“State” is ambiguous
Everyday I think I’ve heard the stupidest thing come out of the US, and they somehow trump it the very next day. Remarkable.
Please don’t judge us all by Florida’s actions. In turn, we won’t judge you by the dumbest 0.1% of your country’s population.
About 6.63% of the U.S. pop lives in Florida.
And they make up the bottom 0.1% of relative intelligence
In the spirit of the USA, “Shots fired”
I think this is a really shitty bill, but not for the reasons people are assuming. The actual wording is against cloud seeding, but DeSantis is trying to win over his crazies by implying it’s for “chemtrails.” We’re kind of falling for it too here.
“Geoengineering and Weather Modification Activities” (SB 56), prohibits the injection, release, or dispersion of a chemical, a chemical compound, a substance or an apparatus into the atmosphere in Florida to affect the temperature, weather, climate or intensity of sunlight. It was OK’d 28–9.
prohibits the injection, release, or dispersion of a chemical, a chemical compound, a substance or an apparatus into the atmosphere in Florida to affect the temperature, weather, climate or intensity of sunlight.
Huh, this makes the internal combustion engine illegal.
Water is a chemical. Complete combustion of a hydrocarbon produces water, water when dispersed into the atmosphere creates clouds. Clouds affect the temperature, weather, climate and intensity of sunlight. QED any burning of hydrocarbons is illegal.
Fuck yeah. I support this bill.
The sunshine state is finally investing in solar electric airplanes
That also makes it illegal to nuke hurricanes
Maybe that’s partly why they proposed getting it outlawed now before hurricane season, now that Mr. Hurricane Nuker is back in office, heh.
Sweet Sweet Florida. They sure do make them dumb down there.
Given the education reforms, that’s the idea.
This is what they’re doing? Friggin’ idiots! Why don’t they tackle the real problems?!
It is still perfectly legal to be a werewolf!
Florida doesn’t particularly need cloud seeding(they get plenty of rain and don’t need to increase snowpack on the mountains they don’t have), so it’s kind of a useless exercise. The places that do do it mostly seem to be wasting their time though. The climate change attempts to increase albedo and thus lower temperature are just research exercises at this point.
Cloud seeding is only a couple steps above dowsing in its efficacy. It rarely works to do anything. There is a basic principle that is true regarding cloud condensation nuclei, but the methods are so haphazard that it’s still mostly just “doing something” to make people feel better. It’s basically our equivalent of the Mayan elite rituals encouraging rains for the corn harvest.
Even if they seed the fucking cloud itl just fly over the wrong damn loactaion anyway xd
Nah. Probably will smack into a military helicopter before making it that far
I agree, though increasing snowpack seems to be the most plausible idea, though still a greatly wasted effort.
