• DarkCloud@lemmy.world
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    18 hours ago

    What? Gavin Newsome was actually just a standard neoliberal politician, just doing a song and dance for Trump haters rather than being an actual progressive up and comer?

    Who would have guessed? I’m shocked I tell you, shocked /s

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    20 hours ago

    If he pisses off donors, he’ll never be president. They’ll just pivot to someone else.

    He’s going to count on low Dem primary turnout, then being the lesser evil against whatever trump does with the Republican party.

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      20 hours ago

      It’s why America won’t avert desaster, they simply won’t cut to the heart of the problem, the doners themselves.

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        I mean, the DNC literally did years ago…

        It’s just billionaire owned media want to discourage primary turnout so neoliberals have a chance.

        Nothing matters more than Dem primaries. At this point general elections are what they are, most people are blindly voting by party for one reason or another. Just straight ticket one way or the other regardless of names.

        So we need to make sure when a Dem makes it to a general, it’s someone we want.

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          19 hours ago

          The fun part is because the primaries aren’t an actual government election they can just use their superdelegates to choose whatever neoliberal ghoul they want anyways, like they did with Hilary

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            19 hours ago

            You should read up on how that was done by Hillary funding the DNC via her “victory fund”…

            How that was the “war chest” Biden inherited and Kamala got the nomination because she had strings on it…

            How that whole time it was wielded by the neoliberals to force compliance…

            And then realize that the day the new DNC chair took over, he started dumping that money all over state parties, with extra to states we could gain seats in.

            Like bro, 3 years ago you’d have been preaching to the choir.

            But in 2026, you’re streets behind.

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        they simply won’t cut…the doners themselves.

        Oh my god, that’s it. That’s the solution.

        This entire time, we just left the doner spinning away instead of slicing it into the delicious kebab it was made to be.

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        19 hours ago

        they simply won’t cut to the heart of the problem

        It’s a big thick fucking problem. You’re talking about an entire $32T economy’s worth of millions, billionaires, and - I guess now - trillionaires to carve away. And the problem continues to grow with every booming economic cycle. Sort of the paradox of democratic politics. The thing you presumably want - strong economic growth and domestic prosperity - creates the people you hate.

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      If he pisses off donors, he’ll never be president.

      There’s a balancing act to be played. Hillary had the lion’s share of donors in 2008. Jeb Bush was the guy with all the donor energy in 2016. And Bernie Sanders was the single largest fundraiser in 2020, absent Bloomberg and Steyer who self-funded.

      Donors will bend to the popular candidate far more easily than candidates can buy popularity with donor dollars.

      He’s going to count on low Dem primary turnout

      That doesn’t really help him. He’s got name recognition but low favorables, particularly in his home state. He needs to influence a lot of know-nothing primary voters to get to the general. And then he needs enthusiasm all the way to the finish line. Otherwise, he’s going to go the way of Mitt Romney in 2012 or Kerry in 2004 - scraping his way into the general and then bombing when people just repeat his dogshit takes for six months. Trump takes a third term no problem if there’s not a Big Blue Wave in 2028.

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      count on low Dem primary turnout

      That’ll basically depend on no progressive candidates showing up. So far so good, I guess.

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        I dunno, it didn’t say. The implication is Newsom is a horrible human but it doesn’t give a reason for - well, or even an accounting of how - he ‘fought against this proposition’.

        Just that he really, really did. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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            Okay, but since they have several hundred words here, they could probably put few towards specific remarks, written statements? Context, perhaps?

            It reads like he stayed up all night calling state legislators (which doesn’t make sense if it’s a signature-driven proposition) or said something in an interview (also would be kinda weird, but you’d expect he’d give a reason at least), but it doesn’t say anything at all. Other than what you said.

            Which was a lot more concise and to the point than what they had.