He added that physical and psychological damages “inflicted on each individual of the Iranian nation in the 2nd and 3rd imposed wars, from child killings and war crimes in Minab and Lamerd to attacks on medical centres, is each a legal file that must be pursued in both domestic and international courts.”
He further stated that from the “murder” of newborns and the elderly to the assassination of his father and predecessor, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, “each is a file among thousands of major legal cases that must be earnestly pursued in domestic and international courts”.
“What is definite is that these criminals must be seized by the collar and brought to justice for their criminal deeds,” he asserted.
Never in my life could I have expected to agree with the Iranian government. But, on this specific issue? I do. There needs to be accountability for this.
I agree, but you should also pay for killing women for not wearing hijab.
This doesn’t have to be an either/or situation.
This absolves the USA of responsibility for waging illegal imperial war for profit and committing war crimes and funding and arming zionist genocide in Palestine.
People hate whataboutism until it’s used to cast shade on the enemies of America’s oligarchs.
I don’t get how people can hate billionaires, then spout rhetoric that directly helps their genocidal programs. Iran is the lesser evil in this fight, and in fact one of the only countries standing up to the world’s biggest threat- American/western imperialism. You don’t have to like them, but you also don’t have to carry water for the oppressors.
You’re allowed to not like both of them
If every time Iran calls out the warcrimes and genocide of the US, you answer with a criticism of Iran, all you are doing is saying that the US is right to do warcrimes. That it’s justified because Iran mistreats some of its citizens.
Iran is literally fighting to stop its schoolgirls from being bombed, and you’re out here saying, “Maybe if you hadn’t forced the little girls to wear burkas they’d still be alive.”
Again, you don’t have to like them, but maybe just shut up about it for a second so we can all focus on the bigger issue. It’s called critical support.
The comment said he agreed with the post.
It’s definitely not how it read, and it’s not its intention.
If it was not his intention, why would he start with I agree? He could have only kept the whataboutsim part. Can you consider he may be against both, or is that too far fetched for your intention guessing ability?
I’m not racist but…
Same energy.
butandThe Conjunction Constable strikes again
Grammar… hmmm… I’m sure there’s a simile I could use in this phrase…
Fuck all the goverments who oppress their citizens or the whole world so that a few can cling to power. In US it is the billionaires in Russia or Iran it is the supreme leaders in Israel it is the members of a society. US/Israel/Russia can afford to be a world-wide menace because they have the power to back that up. Believe me the religious supreme leaders of Iran would be doing similar shit had they the same power and leverage as US. They would be quite happy to use religion as an excuse to wage a holy war. They all deserve to rot in the same cesspit and they are not your friends.
He is still right, here. There has to be consequences for Israel and USA, whichever form that may take. Iran didn’t start any of these fucking wars. Their leadership is evil, period, doesn’t mean that they are wrong in point.
Agreed. Someone(s) should be made to answer for all that murder. Laws and common decency need to matter again.
Before blaming the current Iranian government of killing its own people, one should remember it was the US made it possible for them to come to power. By fomenting unrest against a democratically elected government which was as western as possible.
Don’t forget the Brits!
How can one forget them, from the 1st World War to all the conflicts in Africa and Middle East you can find their hands in everything. Present Palestinian conflict is a gift that gives on giving.
We shouldn’tve meddled, but I can still blame theocratic authoritarians for being theocratic authoritarians who abuse and murder protesters
Protestors or mossad supported terrorists trying to overthrow the government?
They fomented unrest against a democratically elected government in the past, but surely not this time?!
They just straight up admitted it.
“We are with you. Not only from a distance and verbally. We are with you in the field.”
Afaik neither Iran, not Israel, nor the US recognize the ICC nor the ICJ. Their leaders should stop bitching about who committed what war crime and just go to jail already.
Every single UN Member State is subject to the ICJ. The ICC is another story though.
Yeah, but most of the World does, which means that the American and Israeli leadership shouldn’t be able to travel to most of the World or even fly over most of the World without getting arrested (if those countries actually properly abided by that treaty, which many don’t).
Completely fair point.
Yup. The guy’s not wrong.
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No women was beheaded for driving a car. It was the saudis who used to prohibit women from driving and beheading was not the punishement. Those beheafing non muslim is isis not Iran. Fuck off with your islamophobia.
they behead people for not being their faith
What are you referring to? Jews, Christians and Zoroastrians have official representation in the state.
women not covering their entire bodies
I haven’t heard of this practice in Iran, even less of the government forcing it on women, and clearly not beheading them for it.
They are a horrendous society and government, but a clock with dead batteries is still right twice a day.
To judge an entire society as “horrendous” just isn’t acceptable. That is where the liberals intersect with the fascists. It’s a society, people are born, grow up, live, learn, love, play, fall in love, grow, marry, make babies and raise them, grow old. 92 Million people. Their society has problems.
Who are you to judge them as horrendous? Who are you to aid and give cause to genocidal invaders to destroy their country, their livelihoods, their progress? To bomb them back in time? They were making progress in many areas.
It’s not just Trump who is responsible, it’s everyone who is pushing these overly broad talking points.
Do you think meddling and interfering through NGOs has positive effects on their “freedoms”? Or negative effects? Just leave them alone, they can sort it out themselves.
All of this is imperialism because there are many countries like Saudi Arabia or Pakistan who is a geopolitical allies. We all need to demand less interference in other countries from our own governments and our allies.
Sure although the Israelis are worse.
The horrendous society is the US who elects rapists, and thrives on sucking other countries blood by using wars, extortion and sanctions.
Iran is a developing country, it has its problems but at least it’s not evil because fuck yeah, unlike the western countries especially the US.
Genocide, child mass murder, pedophilia, rape - all de facto legal if done by the “right” people.
This is both the US and Israel.
I don’t think you have a clue what goes on in Iran if you think their regime isn’t evil
And you obviously only “know” what western media tells you.
On the contrary. The Iranian regime is quite open on their evil shit tbh. They believe it’s their ticket to Heaven
I’m actually an Iranian you dimwit.
Lol
Yeah if you’re in line with the regime, I’m sure it all sounds fantastic
I dont think you have a clue back at you. Epstein’s industrial scale pedophilia with the elite, none of our leaders representing us at all, and open sponsoring of genocide by both political parties with US taxpayer dollars are all horrifically evil.
Yeah come back to me when the US start murdering all internal opposition, torturing their leaders for years until they spontaneously confess their crimes against god on tv, openly encourages child rape, …
There’s a lot to be said about the US but like I said elsewhere: if you’re worried about the things you’re calling out then the Iranian regime is like the twice-evolved version of that shit
Are they more evil than a genocidal fascist pedophile oligarchy?
If those are the things you’re worried about then yes, you’ll be pleasantly surprised to see Iran manage to one-up the US on all of these points
Yes, they support terrorists like hamas and hezbollah, who launch their rockets from civil areas so they then receive bombs there, and innocent civilians die to be martyred for their stupid causes.
The irony is not lost on me, but he’s still not wrong.
The messenger is awful, but the message his correct: the US war criminals must be brought to justice.
And not only for their crimes in Iran but all over the middle east and Latin America , the savagery and barbarism of the Epstein coalition must be punished.
And Southeast Asia. And East Asia…
The messenger is awful
I’ll take ten Mojtaba Khameneis over one Pete Hegseth. Hell, I’ll take a Khamenei over Keir Starmer, at this point.
Of course, he’s little more than a figurehead under the current Iranian government, given that their Parliament can’t safely convene and their military is fully operating via the Mosaic Strategy of decentralized retaliation against ongoing US/Israeli bombardment. I’m not sure why people have decided he’s a bad leader, given that he hasn’t made any meaningful leadership decisions since taking office.
But I guess he’s Muslim and unseasonably tan, so that’s enough to make him a bad guy.
I’ll take a Khamenei over Keir Starmer
I’d take a khamenei ruling under current day British law over keir starmer ruling under the current day judicial system of the Islamic Republic of Iran though. Be careful what you wish for.
keir starmer ruling under the current day judicial system of the Islamic Republic of Iran
The state of Reform UK and it’s enormous polling advantage suggest we might get exactly that
In case you didn’t notice, in England when in a recent court case were after the Jury made their guilty decision the Judge added Terrorism, British law isn’t the Fair Rule Of Law system you think it is.
I also remember the case of the posh public school educated (which actually means “expensive private college” educates, as Brits call those “public schools” whilst what other people call public schools they call “state schools”) who a High Court Judge (who are themselves also overwhelmingly part of the minority of upper middle-class/wealthy people educated in said very expensive private colleges) gave a second conviction for Fraud and then let him go without a punishment with the rationale that “the shame of a conviction is punishment enough”.
The Law as practiced in Britain isn’t a Blind Justice and Fair Rule of Law system, though in High Courts it definitelly has a far above average level of dressing up and theatrics.
No idea how good or bad Justice is in Iran, but I’m a lot more familiar to how it goes in Britain.
O there is plenty of judicial systems i’d prefer over the British one, don’t get me wrong, Iran’s just isn’t one of them.
Its simple He’s a muslim… Thats what makes him bad. 👍
I would say it’s the oppression of women and minorities, but what do I know?
Well, he’s the wrong kind of Muslim. If he was a Saudi or a Jordanian or one of Israel’s pet Muslims in Ra’am, all these critiques would vanish.
I’m not sure why people have decided he’s a bad leader, given that he hasn’t made any meaningful leadership decisions since taking office.
Probably something to do with the fact that he was in a position to become the leader of such a repressive government to begin with. Maybe he will break with past policies and be a champion for women’s rights and LGBTQ+ causes, but if someone was already tipped to take over the reigns of such a government, I assume vetting processes mean he’s generally onboard with what the government was doing beforehand unless I see them taking actions that show otherwise. At this point, who knows how he’ll be, as he’s been set up with something of a PR softball in responding to an aggressive war lead by Israel and the US. Postwar, we’ll see how he shakes out domestically.
That said, I’m still hoping the Iranians just trounce their enemies in this conflict. Whether he’ll ultimately represent an improvement for the Iranian people over his predecessor or not has nothing to do with the fact that he’s on the right side of the current conflict and crushing it at the moment.
I think it’s a trap to think of countries which haven’t been allowed to thrive by basically the entire west as failing on values that they virtually never think about. Is it really that surprising that sanctions lead to regression or stagnation on civil rights of minority groups? They have been under sanctions since 1979. In 1979 how did our LGBTQ+ representation look?
US-style Liberals were the ones parroting the whole “Israel is pro-LGBTQ+” propaganda as they mass murdered Palestinians, as if the Israeli bombs and bullets magically avoided killing gender orientation minority members.
Being an equal opportunity mass murder isn’t the great thing these people try to portray it as.
And, yeah, this also applies to the US which in the last couple of decades has murdered hundreds of thousands in the Middle East.
Guess if one doesn’t count foreign lives as worth the same as the lives of one’s countrymem, one can actually deceive oneself into thinking that the pile of bones on top of which one’s “liberal” regime sits is a moral high ground.
I’ll be the first to accept that Iran, just like Cuba and any other country under long term sanctions from the US for refusing to kowtow to US demands, is essentially crippled from the start and unable to function as well as they could have without that ongoing interference. However, that doesn’t negate things that they’ve done on their own, like harsh repression of protests or that lady who was sentenced to being whipped for singing a song without wearing a hijab the other day.
I’m basically saying that my view of him is like my view of whoever wound up being Putin’s handpicked successor would be. I find them suspect by virtue of passing the screening process to even wind up in that position to begin with, and that will only change if they start taking actions that are at odds with their predecessors’ once in power. If his other positions turn out to be even half as good as his stance against Israel and the US in the current war on Iran has been, I will be happy to realize that my suspicions were unfounded. At the same time, just because they’re in the right on this specific topic doesn’t mean they are flawless in other aspects. Like, the founder of the Westboro Baptist Church was surprisingly progressive for civil rights for African Americans for a white guy in Kansas in the 1960s, but you won’t catch me singing Fred Phelps’ praises in light of all the other heinous stuff he’s done in his life.
Whoever’s idea it was to use fucking Grok for targeting with no human intervention. And the “haven’t washed my hands in a decade” douchebag, Pete Kegsbreath.
Claude, but yeah.
What did the messenger do to you?
Sure, but that won’t ever happen. The future sucks, there is no hope.
Fuck em. We can make their future suck even worse.
Fair. But let’s not forget all of their own people they killed. Trump, Netanyahu and Khamenei should all share a cell in The Hague.
let’s not forget all of their own people they killed
It was crazy to hear US news reporting “Iran has killed 30k, 50k, 90k of their own people!!” based on unnamed sources and Facebook memes. Meanwhile, the journalists on the ground in Gaza reporting on the genocide were systematically assassinated by the Israeli government, while hospitals were obliterated, and communications severed. And the US national media response became “information is unreliable so we’re just not going to say a number anymore”.
I wonder how many Iranians killed during the current US/Israel air raids and infrastructure annihilation will be retroactively counted as “The Iranians killed themselves”, once American journalists finally make their way back into the country.
The Americans think that their propaganda still works. fuck that disgusting rogue empire.
Death to America!
It’s definitely losing it’s grip. But genuinely frightening to see how many people will still fall back on “Yeah, but I’m glad they’re killing the correct kind of foreigners this time”. As soon as Democrats retake the White House, your head is going to spin to see how many people enthusiastically support more bombings.
More accurately, you’ll notice all the currently anti- people oddly quiet, none of the news reporting it (outside of extreme edge cases), and a relatively few people loudly and enthusiastically supporting it.
Most “don’t” support it, but keep their heads down when it’s a D doing it, and scream endlessly when it’s an R doing the same exact thing.
but keep their heads down when it’s a D doing it, and scream endlessly when it’s an R doing the same exact thing.
And vice versa. The US is really showing the flaws of a two party system right now.
You don’t need to wonder how many Iranians died during the war, because Iran keeps very good track of these. However, they try their best to hide how many were killed of their own citizens during January, and there there will probably never be an accurate figure for that, only estimates.
Like in the Lahaina Fire on Maui, right. They counted the people they can identify in the death toll. But the homeless are left out of the official count of the dead. That town was full of homeless camps in the bushes. The real number of dead could be 10x the official number.
Iran keeps very good track of these. However, they try their best to hide how many were killed
Where did you get this information?
Pulled out of a certain personal orifice?!
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. I have a friend in Iran, his cousin died in the protests and his body was tagged in the 10,000’s, and he was far from the last to die. Most Iranians hate their, in my friends words, fascist and theocratic government and they absolutely did massacre the protesters.
All of you morons saying its just western propaganda without speaking to actual Iranians need to shut the fuck up. You trying to deny what happened to the protesters is just like fucking zionists trying to deny what is happening to Palestine.
Does that make the war against them just? Fuck no, America invaded to create a smokescreen for the Epstein files. But you trying to wave away what happened to the protesters is spitting on their graves.
I have a friend in Iran, his cousin died in the protests
I actually have a friend from elementary school who was killed by an Iraqi IED. Really sad, but also… he should have been going to college, not getting in shootouts with ex-Ba’athist insurgents on the other side of the planet.
Sure mate, I believe you. Also, I’m the queen of Sheeba, trust me. (On the internet anybody can “be” whatever they want)
That said, I misread the comments I replied to as being about the number of dead in the war, which doesn’t make sense for Iran to hide hence my reply.
If the poster I replied to meant it as “have you really thought about where the ‘information’ you think you know originally came from”, then they made a good point - for Iran, just like for China, Iraq before that and countless others, the information space is so heavilly polluted at all levels (from Social Media to traditional Press) by American propaganda that it’s hard to really know the extent of what has and is happening, unless one has direct connections inside Iran (which you claim to, but again for exactly the reason I gave about Propaganda, I can’t just directly trust “claims from random poster who for all I know might not even be a human” as being true).
For example, for what happened to the Uyghurs in China the best and most trustworthy info that we have is indirect and comes from Chinese Official numbers: the fall in birth rates in the region they’re the majority by comparison with other Chinese regions, which doesn’t tell us exactly what’s happened by does tell us that something bad enough happened that people refrained from having children there from 2017 and for a number of years.
Unfortunatly the slimy and excessive propaganda pushed out by America and American actors means that the information space in the West is very poluted so you can’t just take at face values any claims about bad things done by states which the US sees as adversaries.
We don’t want them in Europe, build a cell somewhere else!
I rather have them here to be honest, or somewhere with equally little corruption and equally little political instability. They sure can raise my taxes if that keeps these 3 jailed.
I’ll put the cell in my house if it gets it done.
I’m sure the forever loop of “what’s new pussycat” will be a winner
Make sure you get a few “it’s not unusual”s in there to give them hope
The vote ratio on your comment is alarming and tells a lot about the Lemmy user base.
Oh yeah, there’s not a lot of valuable discussion to be had here. It’s mostly state actors and college kids that just read about the subject for the first time and think they’re experts. And fuckin half the comments at least are clearly written by an LLM. If reddit didn’t ban you for calling nazis nazis I’d still be there. Redditors on average seem much more educated than lemmings in my experience, you always see the most dogshit takes upvoted here.
I am not too sure about this. I doubt half of the comments is written by LLMs. I just think Lemmy is much more left-leaning than reddit was. Israel was always polarizing in the left, since Oct 7 this has become much worse. I really miss a critical view on the conflicts here. I feel people need to divide every topic into 2 contrary views, it is always black or white. The enemy of my enemy is my friend - so they rather sympathize with Iran than with Israel or the west™ in general. I don’t think this has to do with education, and I highly doubt the average education of redditors is very high. Reddit is mainstream nowadays, the user base is basically old Facebook minus the boomers.
Honestly, I would prefer Lemmy every day over reddit, because I believe in a free user controlled space without big corp. However I instance blocked lemmy.ml and always think twice before engaging in a political discussion. But sometimes, like in this case, people are so blind and stupid that I can’t shut my mouth.
Unrelated to topic, but i only see total up/downvotes. How do i get ratio? Switch viewer or change setting?
I guess it depends on the viewer/app you are using to access the Threadiverse. I use the Voyager mobile app on Android, but the setting should be available on iOS and the web viewer too.
Appearance > Other > Display Votes > Separate
Thanks, i’m using Voyager on Android too and thoroughly checked general settings but appearantly didn’t even think to look at appearance settings, oops.
I agree the settings categories are a bit confusing
I’ll never understand how people can call themselves leftists and then simp for the likes of Khamenei.
I bet there’s tons of stuff you struggle to understand on a daily basis.
Indeed there are. Maybe that’s because I don’t see the world through the lens of an ideology, that’s entirely detached from reality.
Do you understand the idea of critical support? Do you understand that America is the global hegemon and their actions in Iran are war crimes? Leftists don’t support Iran because of their structure of government, its because America is the bad guy, and has been since the end of WWII.
Do you also “critically support” Jeffrey Dahmer because he murdered Americans?
Do you equate Jeffrey Dahmer, a single man with mental illness, to a nation state defending itself from the largest military to ever exist, which is run by genocidal pedophiles?
Are you 12?
I want everyone in jail, I want it everywhere, I want it now.
Also every american presidents and every american politicians who allowed weapons and aid to israel , all the western politicians who did the same , the arab traitors collaborating with the enemy and every single isrseli politicians and prime ministers.
I hate everyone in this.
A clock with dead batteries is still right twice a day.
Guys calm down. It’s cute when we do it. It’s only a problem when you do it because of branding.
You want fuck with us? Prop up an extremist Christian sect in your country and publicize the atrocities they commit. Then compare them to the US.
Bwhahaha
Wouldn’t it be funny if Iran joined the ICC? They won’t otherwise they’d pretty quickly have to answer for all the executions they are perpetrating, but still, it would be funny.
It’s true, but Iran leadership has been commiting crimes against humanity themselves as well.
It’s crazy though that I instantly agreed with the sentiment when I read it…
The western countries who armed israel for decades too
We will happily give you the convicted felon that happens to be our president and his entire cabinet to you. Please save us.
That would make an awesome campaign promise.
