A group of conservatives visited the Oval Office on Friday and announced they want to remove a key safeguard for religious freedom in America ― the separation of church and state.

But of course, the main takeaway on social media was how Donald Trump appeared to fall asleep during the meeting.

Members of the Religious Liberty Commission, an organization made up almost entirely of conservative Christians, showed up at the White House to suggest that there should be “bridges” between religion and politics rather than “a wall of separation,” as Thomas Jefferson once wrote.

A group of conservatives? More like a group of nut-jobs. What’s the difference between this group an d jihadis? Asking for a friend.

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    Are we really arguing that we should force all Americans to live according to the rules of a delusional death cult that worships torture, human sacrifice, cannibalism, and zombies? Their logo is literally their imaginary spiritual leader being tortured to death.

    They want our children to be indoctrinated into their sick perverse cult in the earliest stages of public education, but they are deathly afraid that those children will go on the Internet and discover that boys and girls have different genitalia.

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        Yeah, I once asked about the “dying for our sins” part, since that never made sense to me. How does another guy dying thousands of years ago, forgive MY sins? Or anyone else’s sins, for that matter.

        As a historian, who always emphasizes context as the first step to understanding historical issues, I should have anticipated the answer. The reason is that because at the outset, the Abrahamic religions, like many or even most religions at the time, strongly believed in offering sacrifices to their God(s). After all, the entire Abrahamic branch (Christianity, Judaism, Islam) is totally based on Abraham’s intended sacrifice of his son. Christianity is actually based on TWO sacrifice fables - Abraham’s, and Jesus’. Sacrifice was important to those neolithic goat herders, since it took food directly out of their own mouths, and the HUMAN sacrifice of Jesus resonated strongly with them. “He offered Himself up for sacrifice? That’s serious and important.”

        Over the years, the concept of offering a sacrifice was deliberately suppressed, to the point that today it is more associated with pagan spirituality. And yet, the central fable of Christianity, Christ’s crucifixion, is still a tale of HUMAN SACRIFICE, in order to convince God to forgive all the sins of mankind. Whatever.

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    A strong and competent president who cared about this country would never let this topic go this far and would push back as strongly as possible both privately and by using the bully pulpit to make the case of how important it is to our country that this principle be upheld. But Trump is weak and incompetent. And when the topic of something as important as the separation of church and state comes up this administration treats it just like JD Vance treats Watergate, just a 12 hour story in the news cycle. It’s still unbelievable to me we elected this man to be president of the United States.

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    “the left used that one phrase to batter and hammer religious leaders for the last 80!”

    The phrase… Seperation of church and state.

    These people are so disconnected from reality.

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    Why can’t these people stop boring trump with stuff like “governance”. The man is 80, you think he wants to do his job. Just let the man golf in peace

    /s

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    Pretty soon hell doze off and not wake up. And his aides are going to have to, in real time, try to cover up the fact the the president died sitting in a room full of people who all told us he was in excellent health.

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      I thought this same thing.

      The cherry on top will be the medical examiner afterward pointing out that he could have been saved if medics took swift action instead of everybody in the room pretending to not notice he was “asleep” again.

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      Every time he starts dozing, live on tv, I hope this happens. And the likelihood of this happening is high because he is an attention whore, and he has both cankles in the grave already.

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        “He’s not dead. He’s in the prime of his life! In fact he is pregnant! Mazel tov!”

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        Im betting he closes his eyes and slumps, but nobody does anything because its normal.

        Then after a minute, he falls over with a resounding thump.

        And then the next circus begins.

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    Disgusting that this traitor is trying to tear down the wall of separation between church and state that has existed since it’s inception.

    And the treason troll himself can’t even stay awake for it. Amazing.

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    Religious Liberty Commission

    These guys always choose such Orwellian names. JFC.

    It’s not “liberty” to impose the rules of your little book club onto everyone else. You already have all the liberty you need to select and follow your own religion. Having to keep it to yourself is not an imposition, but all these toddlers think they are being hemmed in by seeing interest in their book club waning and their position of unwarranted privilege going with it.

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      It’s all the same. They want madrasas and they want xtian shariah law.

      The conservatives in both groups only differ on what they call their god (the same one, by the way, since they are both Abrahamic religions - Allah/Yahweh are the same thing) and some rather minor differences in some rituals (which day to worship, what foods are not permitted), and of course the unsubstantiated claims of the supernatural they both make - Jesus was a prophet vs. son of their god, etc.

      But on so many cultural issues they agree. I sure hope neither conservative group ever really figures it out and starts making alliances at the global level.

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        the same one, by the way, since they are both Abrahamic religions - Allah/Yahweh are the same thing

        Yup, the Canaanite god of war. Big surprise, eh?

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    A group of conservatives? More like a group of nut-jobs. What’s the difference between this group an d jihadis? Asking for a friend.

    The xtianists are such fucking toddlers. Even when they were hovering around 90% of the country, it wasn’t enough for these assclowns. And now that their numbers are waning, they are chapped that they don’t get everyone in a room to clap and give them a gold star just by merely saying “I’m a good xtian and I accepted Jeeeezus into my heart”.

    These days, about a third of the country just could not give a fuck that you are xtian and are not fooled that being xtian makes someone a good person. And we definitely are not going to clap like trained seals when someone starts up about being a xtian.

    But these people want to compel everyone to clap for someone talking about their “faith”. And they don’t want to do any hard work to entice people over to their side by setting a good example or anything like that, oh no. I’m quite sure some would be very happy to compel church attendance (at the “right” churches of course). See the Seven Mountain Mandate nutcases…

    I’m so tired. But, ironically, most of these dipshits probably didn’t realize the only thing propping up xtian numbers from collapsing even more than they already have was having Hispanic immigration, LOL.