But then what is the difference? Literally just “not doing math?”
If burger $9.99 + 20% tip = $11.98, and you’re fine with paying that $11.98, why does it make a difference if the menu says “$11.98” or you do the math yourself? Are you also mad tax (in most states) isn’t included on the sticker price of retail goods, or are you fine doing your own math when it comes to tipping the government?
And does that apply to taxes, which also aren’t included in the menu price? Why am I supposed to take the brunt of this issue as a poor worker and not my boss or government? Fuck me for not wanting to be homeless? Why doesn’t ONE comment in this thread besides mine mention taxes though they follow the exact same logic?
Is it because you want to pinch pennies, and you can choose to not tip but have to pay tax, and deep down you know you’re only fucking over the employee but have to sanitize your conscience so you can save 20% on your bill?
And does that apply to taxes, which also aren’t included in the menu price?
in civilized societies all taxes and everything are included in the price you will be required to pay. civilized societies don’t rely on hidden costs to wear down their people. though on this latter part, the plague is already spreading from the US…
Is it because you want to pinch pennies, and you can choose to not tip but have to pay tax, and deep down you know you’re only fucking over the employee but have to sanitize your conscience so you can save 20% on your bill?
you have to understand this. It’s not the pesky filthy consumer that scews you. It’s your employer. but sure, it’s easier and even pleasurable to hate the small person, than your owner.
in civilized societies all taxes and everything are included in the price you will be required to pay. civilized societies don’t rely on hidden costs to wear down their people. though on this latter part, the plague is already spreading from the US…
Ok. Then stay there. You wouldn’t want to come into such an uncivilized place with all of us savages anyway. Problem solved for you.
you have to understand this. It’s not the pesky filthy consumer that scews you. It’s your employer. but sure, it’s easier and even pleasurable to hate the small person, than your owner.
You have to understand this, it is both of you. Without you paying him he wouldn’t be able to keep the business running and exploiting the revolving door of people close to homelessness that are willing to work to avoid living in the street. You are an essential cog in the exploitation machine. Don’t worry, they all hate the owner too, just also you for literally understanding how it works but still coming in here and making me serve you for free just because you disagree with my boss. You give him a $20 and give me the finger, why wouldn’t I hate both of you?
Ok. Then stay there. You wouldn’t want to come into such an uncivilized place with all of us savages anyway. Problem solved for you.
now that is correct.
Without you paying him he wouldn’t be able to keep the business running
oh they must he running on such a thin profit margin even the boss is starving. I’m so sad for him. he is just not able to pay a better wage.
but still coming in here and making me serve you for free
you shouldn’t be serving anyone for free. your employer should be paying you for your work. but you are being exploited by your owners. they are very happy they can cheap out on you.
why wouldn’t I hate both of you?
because it’s not the customer’s job to pay for your work. that’s the job of your boss. no other industry accepts anything else than that. and then also consider that there are places that manage to be even worse where the boss requires all tips to be handed over.
your owners have done a great job into brainwashing you to divide your own kind with hate. they can be proud of you. don’t expect any bonus though.
oh they must he running on such a thin profit margin even the boss is starving. I’m so sad for him. he is just not able to pay a better wage.
Arrrre you dumb? How do you expect the restaurant owner to pay rent if he has no customers to pay him? It’s simple really, people no shop there, store no have money, store close. Boss won’t be homeless but the restaurant will close and if that happens to all tip reliant restaurants then there’s no more foodservice industry to exploit the workers on your dime.
How do you expect that not tipping the poor worker who is struggling to get by helps them actually and hurts their boss?```
you shouldn’t be serving anyone for free. your employer should be paying you for your work. but you are being exploited by your owners. they are very happy they can cheap out on you.
Don’t worry I can hate both my boss and the smug entitled dickhead who knows how it works and still steps on the worker because he can’t be bothered to heat up his own nuggies. You’re really trying to justify how hurting the worker makes you a better person, and you’re mad that the worker doesn’t see solidarity in that? You know you’re in the wrong deep down but have to lie to yourself, pathetic. How’s that for worker solidarity, “fuck you, I’ll pay your boss money,” thanks.
because it’s not the customer’s job to pay for your work.
If you go to a place that relies on tips, yes it is. We can argue how it should be all day but you know goddamn well what is expected as evidenced by the fact we’re even having this conversation. Until it changes, YOU are part of the problem. Just go to a place that doesn’t rely on tips, this isn’t that difficult.
I’m not brainwashed, you’re selfish. Go. To. A. Place. That. Doesn’t. Rely. On. Tips. That’s it, why is that so hard for you to understand?
You’re failing the basic point. It’s a tip. It’s optional. You want security go for a job that guarantees it. Until servers become scarce businesses won’t change. Either way, not the customer’s problem.
Until customers stop supporting the exploitation it will continue, you need to go to a restaurant that doesn’t run off tips or learn to heat up your own nuggies.
I left the industry years ago, the places I worked at kept on chugging, the only thing that killed some was covid when the customers were all not going. You want to buy your cake from my exploiter, have it, and eat it too, all the while victim blaming me for needing to make rent. Real progressive there champ.
And you’re a piece of shit for not tipping, deal with that.
And btw, don’t be a regular non-tipper… not advised. You’d be surprised what people can get away with when they know the camera’s blindspots, illegal or not.
I hope it does and you have to learn how to cook for yourself lol.
But don’t worry, there’s an endless supply of poor people on the verge of homelessness for the businesses you support to hire and exploit, you’ll never run out of people to look down on “for their own good.”
I did leave the industry, the last restaurant I left is exploiting some other kid now, fuck them I guess. I actually still go there (I tip, I’m not an asshole to the workers, I don’t just pretend to care like the eurotrash in this thread), kid seems like a good egg, nonbinary, kicked out by their parents for being nonbinary, lived on friends’ couches for a while and finally was able to get their own place (well, two roommates, but ykwim). I’m not gonna explain to them why I’m not tipping them “for their own good actually” and they need to go find another job, I’m just going to do my part and not be an insufferable prick. You go right ahead.
I don’t even know where you get the idea that people who eat out can’t also cook at home. You’ve got a lot of anger issues clearly, that sucks, Hope it gets better for you. But don’t pin employment issues on those who fundamentally are disengaged from the transaction. Your earnings are between you and your employer. Anything else is gravy.
“This just in: former foodservice worker angry at years of not being tipped, angry at a thread of not tippers for not tipping and telling him why they’re hurting him for his own good actually while paying his boss and perpetuating the system”
Gee I wonder why. You also curious why an amazon worker forced to piss in bottles wants you to stop supporting amazon, or have you figured that one out already?
You’re not disengaged from the transaction if you’re the customer, not only are you an integral part, you initiated it.
But then what is the difference? Literally just “not doing math?”
If burger $9.99 + 20% tip = $11.98, and you’re fine with paying that $11.98, why does it make a difference if the menu says “$11.98” or you do the math yourself? Are you also mad tax (in most states) isn’t included on the sticker price of retail goods, or are you fine doing your own math when it comes to tipping the government?
the difference is false advertising. being able to know prices upfront and being able to make a fair decision on where to eat.
it is so weird this is not common sense.
And does that apply to taxes, which also aren’t included in the menu price? Why am I supposed to take the brunt of this issue as a poor worker and not my boss or government? Fuck me for not wanting to be homeless? Why doesn’t ONE comment in this thread besides mine mention taxes though they follow the exact same logic?
Is it because you want to pinch pennies, and you can choose to not tip but have to pay tax, and deep down you know you’re only fucking over the employee but have to sanitize your conscience so you can save 20% on your bill?
in civilized societies all taxes and everything are included in the price you will be required to pay. civilized societies don’t rely on hidden costs to wear down their people. though on this latter part, the plague is already spreading from the US…
you have to understand this. It’s not the pesky filthy consumer that scews you. It’s your employer. but sure, it’s easier and even pleasurable to hate the small person, than your owner.
Ok. Then stay there. You wouldn’t want to come into such an uncivilized place with all of us savages anyway. Problem solved for you.
You have to understand this, it is both of you. Without you paying him he wouldn’t be able to keep the business running and exploiting the revolving door of people close to homelessness that are willing to work to avoid living in the street. You are an essential cog in the exploitation machine. Don’t worry, they all hate the owner too, just also you for literally understanding how it works but still coming in here and making me serve you for free just because you disagree with my boss. You give him a $20 and give me the finger, why wouldn’t I hate both of you?
now that is correct.
oh they must he running on such a thin profit margin even the boss is starving. I’m so sad for him. he is just not able to pay a better wage.
you shouldn’t be serving anyone for free. your employer should be paying you for your work. but you are being exploited by your owners. they are very happy they can cheap out on you.
because it’s not the customer’s job to pay for your work. that’s the job of your boss. no other industry accepts anything else than that. and then also consider that there are places that manage to be even worse where the boss requires all tips to be handed over.
your owners have done a great job into brainwashing you to divide your own kind with hate. they can be proud of you. don’t expect any bonus though.
Arrrre you dumb? How do you expect the restaurant owner to pay rent if he has no customers to pay him? It’s simple really, people no shop there, store no have money, store close. Boss won’t be homeless but the restaurant will close and if that happens to all tip reliant restaurants then there’s no more foodservice industry to exploit the workers on your dime.
How do you expect that not tipping the poor worker who is struggling to get by helps them actually and hurts their boss?```
Don’t worry I can hate both my boss and the smug entitled dickhead who knows how it works and still steps on the worker because he can’t be bothered to heat up his own nuggies. You’re really trying to justify how hurting the worker makes you a better person, and you’re mad that the worker doesn’t see solidarity in that? You know you’re in the wrong deep down but have to lie to yourself, pathetic. How’s that for worker solidarity, “fuck you, I’ll pay your boss money,” thanks.
If you go to a place that relies on tips, yes it is. We can argue how it should be all day but you know goddamn well what is expected as evidenced by the fact we’re even having this conversation. Until it changes, YOU are part of the problem. Just go to a place that doesn’t rely on tips, this isn’t that difficult.
I’m not brainwashed, you’re selfish. Go. To. A. Place. That. Doesn’t. Rely. On. Tips. That’s it, why is that so hard for you to understand?
You’re failing the basic point. It’s a tip. It’s optional. You want security go for a job that guarantees it. Until servers become scarce businesses won’t change. Either way, not the customer’s problem.
Until customers stop supporting the exploitation it will continue, you need to go to a restaurant that doesn’t run off tips or learn to heat up your own nuggies.
I left the industry years ago, the places I worked at kept on chugging, the only thing that killed some was covid when the customers were all not going. You want to buy your cake from my exploiter, have it, and eat it too, all the while victim blaming me for needing to make rent. Real progressive there champ.
I mean moan all you like but until it’s illegal not to tip (lol) you’re going to get poor and non tippers. Deal with it.
And you’re a piece of shit for not tipping, deal with that.
And btw, don’t be a regular non-tipper… not advised. You’d be surprised what people can get away with when they know the camera’s blindspots, illegal or not.
I hope it does and you have to learn how to cook for yourself lol.
But don’t worry, there’s an endless supply of poor people on the verge of homelessness for the businesses you support to hire and exploit, you’ll never run out of people to look down on “for their own good.”
I did leave the industry, the last restaurant I left is exploiting some other kid now, fuck them I guess. I actually still go there (I tip, I’m not an asshole to the workers, I don’t just pretend to care like the eurotrash in this thread), kid seems like a good egg, nonbinary, kicked out by their parents for being nonbinary, lived on friends’ couches for a while and finally was able to get their own place (well, two roommates, but ykwim). I’m not gonna explain to them why I’m not tipping them “for their own good actually” and they need to go find another job, I’m just going to do my part and not be an insufferable prick. You go right ahead.
I don’t even know where you get the idea that people who eat out can’t also cook at home. You’ve got a lot of anger issues clearly, that sucks, Hope it gets better for you. But don’t pin employment issues on those who fundamentally are disengaged from the transaction. Your earnings are between you and your employer. Anything else is gravy.
“This just in: former foodservice worker angry at years of not being tipped, angry at a thread of not tippers for not tipping and telling him why they’re hurting him for his own good actually while paying his boss and perpetuating the system”
Gee I wonder why. You also curious why an amazon worker forced to piss in bottles wants you to stop supporting amazon, or have you figured that one out already?
You’re not disengaged from the transaction if you’re the customer, not only are you an integral part, you initiated it.
In this economy? 15% is the new 20%.
Not if they raised the prices 20%, you wouldn’t have the choice to leave a bad tip.
Well other than by not going, but then good.