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Fuck everything about tipping, tipping must be prohibited by law
“European restaurants pay staff like any other profession and workers don’t rely on tips, so customers assume they’ve already paid for service”.
Europeans are right on this one. The more years go by, the more I find tipping to be ridiculous. Tell me upfront what you expect, then I’ll choose where to eat. Managers must adapt to customers, not us do their minimum wage employment practice.
You can’t even buy a non-alcoholic drink at most of these places for what they’re paying as an hourly wage.
Of course, there’s also the problem that most waitstaff make way more than the business would ever pay them and generally prefer tip+minimum.
It’s the reason that we never stopped doing it. The business owners don’t want to stop, the staff doesn’t want to stop. The patrons have no measure to see if they’re getting fucked, so we just deal with it.
We know about that extra 10% to 15% exception by custom. But anywhere else, the full price is displayed. I actually think it should be the same for taxes. Hiding the tax amount is a bias to help the merchant be more attractive by displaying lower prices.
We know about that extra 10% to 15% exception by custom.
They actually get angry and insulted at “just” 10% to 15%. The standard has somehow risen to 20% at a minimum!
My standard is 10%. If they get angry with me, their boss becomes the end recipient.
Greetings from Europe, we’re not baffled. We just don’t play your game. Start paying your workers properly.
We come from nations where staff get paid at least the minimum wage and don’t rely on tips to make it up to that.
Everyone who gives their life to a job deserves a living wage.
lmao NY Post getting pissy over what they call barbarians not leaving tips.
Ignoring the reality the unwritten rule of tipping for exceptional service was taken over by the restaurants and turned the gesture into a formality serving the owners, and the waiters now get gypped below minimum wage.
There is a no tipping culture in Europe.
Maybe if the US paid a decent minimum wage…
Yea, because tipping is intended to be optional.
The mere fact of trying to pressure or force the tipping will make sure I regard the service as not tip worthy.
“Tipflation” is the worst part. It’s annoying as hell when staff tell you the terminal or kiosk is going to “ask you a question” and the fucking thing asks for a tip while they’re staring right at you. It’s gaslighting people into questioning whether to tip for something that typically wouldn’t require a tip, and whether you should tip to avoid having your food spat on, etc. Then the suggested tip percentages are often inflated and if you want to tip lower, you have to fumble around with the “other” button while they continue to stare. I’d say vote with your wallet, but every place does this now.
I’ve lived here all my life, and I’m not always sure when I’m supposed to tip or not, so not sure how anyone visiting from a country with a more rational system is expected to understand our broken system here.
The way to vote with your wallet on this is to not go to the restaurant, not to still go and then be an asshole to the underpaid staff. Not leaving a tip doesn’t hurt the exploitative restaurateur or the system you “disagree with” but are still willfully participating in as far as it suits you. Also, fuck the Post.
You can’t expect people who aren’t used to tipping and are used to correct prices in the menu to start paying 20%-50% extra out of nowhere. The disturbing situation of the US is not their fault.
I’m fine with this idea. But just so I understand, doesn’t not going to the restaurant also hurt the staff? Is the idea to hurt the owner and the staff at the same time?
I ask because during COVID restaurant staff were definitely calling for people to go to restaurants more to “keep them alive.” At least they were in my area.
Not going to the restaurant doesn’t hurt the staff any more than going and not tipping.
So people should go and just not tip since it won’t affect the employees anyway?
This rewards the owner and punishes the worker.
They’ve wasted time serving you for $2.13/hr when they could have been serving someone who was going to tip then instead of being a prick about it.
Sounds like they should demand compensation from their boss then, if they’re working without compensation.
Victim blaming is always the easy solution, isn’t it.
Maybe if they don’t want to work there anymore they could. But until they’re all part of the SEIU or similar the owner/manager has all the power in their relationship.
Yeah, the system is broken, but you fucking over the person at the bottom doesn’t make you some sort of hero. You’re no better than the assholes leaving Chick Tracts instead of cash.
So, what is the solution then?
- No one go to restaurants anymore.
- Employer probably has some form of insurance and will get paid out after claiming low demand for the service in the area.
- Employees still get fired.
- Community lose a restaurant and there is a lower chance of another one coming.
- Go but don’t tip.
- Worker gets screwed because their wages aren’t worth the work without tips.
- worker either needs to quite or unionize (strike) to get a higher pay.
- Worker is afraid(?) to do that so blames the costumer for not tipping.
- Grass roots campaign to change tipping laws entirely
- Workers are against it because they tend to make more with tips than with flat wages because some people can and will tipe very high.
- Owners are against it because they lose more money on labor.
- Costumers are for it because it doesn’t guild them into having to pay an undisclosed fee with a guilt trip assigned. However, they are unlikely to rally in favor in larger numbers than employers and employees because it does affect their day to day life as much.
It may be just me, but this seems like turning serfs on serfs while everyone goes to the powers that be rather than actually addressing the issue. I mean, I’m fine with just eating out less and tipping when I do, but I don’t see how not tipping is morally wrong when they entered system was about morally exploiting the costumer.
Also, the process only exists because restauranteurs had difficulty paying their employees during the great depression and encouraged them to accept payment To Insure Promptness (TIP). Can we just go back to a system when I only tip when my food is delivered quickly and the service is above average rather than to prevent people from spitting in my food because that is somehow now socially acceptable?
Am I missing something though? Because this whole thing seems like a less horrific version for rape being an implied additional punishment of jail in the US.
A question here: If “voting with your wallet” does not influence the restaurant… How can we do this??
In a system that is “used to this situation” why should something change, if everybody behaves the same. That’s the first time America sees an outside perspective and the solution you propose is still: “let’s keep it this way, otherwise we ‘hurt’ people”. The people don’t see that they are exploited… Maybe that’s the “straw” they need?
The way to vote with your wallet on this is to not go to the restaurant, not to still go and then be an asshole to the underpaid staff.
To be fair, a lot of this probably isn’t even intentional. Tipping just isn’t nearly as much of a thing in Europe and people just forget. And also these people being tourists are usually not people with access to a kitchen to cook their own shit in, so unless you wanna cook instant noodles in your hotel room kettle you’re kind of bound to places that serve you food.
You can blame the europeans here for not knowing or even intentionally not conforming, but tipping being a heavily debated difference between US and EU catering culture is really old news and all these pub owners also could’ve just factored the tip into the price they already inflated for this event anyway. You can’t blame people for thinking their 15 dollar beer includes the service.
So it still just circles back around to stingy employers if you ask me.
Way too many people in here speaking for “Europe”. I live in Europe as well, and here tipping at a restaurant or a delivery driver is 100% expected. It isn’t usually as much as the US, but tipping exists here as well.
Also, when in Rome… plenty of people here get upset at Americans for not following cultural norms, seems fair to get upset at people visiting America for not doing the same.
Imagine the price being… You know… The price…
What’s a world cup? America failing; land of poverty and circuses.
#PAY YOUR FUCKING STAFF
