A criminal law attorney warned late Friday that a new video appears to show President Donald Trump ran afoul of federal laws when he took the stage at a private dinner event for investors of his meme coin. Trump hosted more than 200 top investors in his personal $TRUMP meme coin on Thursday night at...
And no one is going to do a damn thing about this because the US is not a nation of laws anymore.
They said he has immunity for official duties. This article is about him using the presidential seal for non-official duties. I don’t think anything is going to happen still, but even the insane SC ruling doesn’t give him immunity for this.
The ruling outlined that official duties includes pretty much everything he does while president, unless he explicitly states it’s not in his capacity as president or for national interests, which he won’t do in court, so effectively, yes, he has complete immunity. The “official” part is just a fig leaf to give the ruling the appearance of jurisprudence.
KKKaroline in one of her recent briefings said that basically he’s doing this in his personal time, and is unrelated to his presidency. They can probably use that 🤷 not that they will though
Sure, but this is about him using the seal in a non-official capacity. Either it’s legal because it’s an official duty, in which case he doesn’t need immunity, or it’s illegal because it isn’t an official duty, in which case he isn’t immune.
Again, nothings going to happen with this regardless. I’m just stating what’s going on.
He’ll just say something like he was using it to build relationships with the leaders of other countries or some ridiculous bullshit. Unfortunately “official” while obvious to us may be more ambiguous to the law.
I for one would still want to call out whats being done, to make a record for future generations if nothing else.
Are you really such a good little soldier that the supreme court makes a bad decision and you immediately reorient your entire moral framework to match?
What do you mean by am I just going to comply? What does that even mean? What am I supposed to do? Trump is the one not complying along with the Supreme Court and Congress. None of these groups are doing their job. This has happened over and over and over again and still half the country is either cheering it on or clearly ok with it. The other half either don’t care or have been neutered. America democratically voted for this. Don’t blame me for not being emotional enough in a comment.
Resistance starts in the mind. Fascists want you to think the way you’re thinking, because if you can’t even get to the point of giving a shit about what they’re doing, you’ll never ever get to the point of actually doing something about it.
Refusing to comply really can be as simple as just choosing to call out their evil, every single time. It’s a starting point. It’s easy and trite to say that big trees grow from small acorns, but much harder to really understand what that means, to take into your heart the idea that every single word or act of defiance matters, that enough drops really do make an ocean.
I’m not asking you to plan a revolution. I’m just asking you to give a shit. Because the people telling you to stop giving a shit are the ones who want to do terrible things to your country, and they need your passivity in order to succeed.
Trump has been ignoring court orders left and right. Mass firings are still happening. Fired workers haven’t been rehired. Kilmar Garcia is still stuck in El Salvador. Immigrants are still being sent to third world countries with no notice or due process. Trump is issuing unconstitutional executive orders on the daily, and the Supreme Court themselves may very well rule that all of this is OK.
Hell, Trump’s lawyers just argued in front of the Supreme Court that they will not abide by the Supreme Court’s decision if they don’t like it. SCOTUS judges didn’t even reply with any kind of threat of consequences for ignoring a SCOTUS decision. They just accepted that Trump may or may not ignore the court and moved on with questioning. Why? Because they know they have no enforcement mechanism. Neither do any of the other courts. Why do you think they’ve done exactly nothing but issue empty threats of some arbitrary and undefined “contempt” charges for DOJ lackeys if they lie to the court 20 or 30 more times? Because that’s all they’ve got. Anything beyond that and they’ll be exposed for having no enforcement mechanism when Trump tells them to go pound sand. The court’s threats have already been exposed as being about as effective as mommy telling a beligerent toddler that she’s going to count to three, but keeps stopping at two and a half, two and three quarters…
And we all know how it works out. No punishment ever comes. Mommy eventually buys the screaming child the toy just to shut him up, and then wonders why he pulls another temper tantrum in the next store they visit. Same thing applies here.
But hey, if you’ve got a viable plan besides taking an extra hit of copium and hoping for the best, I’d love to hear it.
A person raising their voice is doing more than a person who chooses to stay silent. Why would you direct your anger at the former rather than the latter?
This idea that anyone “not doing enough” needs to shut up and sit down is exactly the kind of toxic bullshit that fascists want you to consume. They want you to feel that everything has to either be some huge world changing gesture, or it’s just not worth it. Life isn’t like that. Real resistance isn’t about blowing up the Death Star, it’s about thousands, millions of tiny acts of defiance that build upon each other. Every time someone says “this is wrong” someone else is inspired to agree. Every time someone shows up to a protest, someone else is inspired to show up the next time. You don’t change regimes in a day, and you don’t build movements out of nothing. They accumulate, millions of tiny choices gathering together into a vast whole.
“Official” acts are basically whatever Trump says they are unless the Supreme Court says otherwise.
Official acts can’t be investigated or used as evidence of criminal activity for unofficial acts. In other words, if Trump says it’s tied to an official act, it’s covered as well.
In other words, Trump can do whatever the fuck he wants. All he’s got to say is that the whole thing was tied to his implementation of economic policy or something and it’s suddenly an “official act” that can’t even be investigated unless the Supreme Court says it can.
Whoa, trump violated a law??? We’ve got him now!
I’m over these headlines. The Supreme Court said he has presidential immunity. The law doesn’t apply.
They said he has immunity for official duties. This article is about him using the presidential seal for non-official duties. I don’t think anything is going to happen still, but even the insane SC ruling doesn’t give him immunity for this.
The ruling outlined that official duties includes pretty much everything he does while president, unless he explicitly states it’s not in his capacity as president or for national interests, which he won’t do in court, so effectively, yes, he has complete immunity. The “official” part is just a fig leaf to give the ruling the appearance of jurisprudence.
KKKaroline in one of her recent briefings said that basically he’s doing this in his personal time, and is unrelated to his presidency. They can probably use that 🤷 not that they will though
Sure, but this is about him using the seal in a non-official capacity. Either it’s legal because it’s an official duty, in which case he doesn’t need immunity, or it’s illegal because it isn’t an official duty, in which case he isn’t immune.
Again, nothings going to happen with this regardless. I’m just stating what’s going on.
Why cant he say that he was speaking officially as the president of the US? He was discussing economics. He wasn’t talking about his meme coin.
As I said, he can, in which case it’s legal. Normally a president would have to argue that, but we’re well past that point.
He’ll just say something like he was using it to build relationships with the leaders of other countries or some ridiculous bullshit. Unfortunately “official” while obvious to us may be more ambiguous to the law.
And you’re just going to comply with that?
I for one would still want to call out whats being done, to make a record for future generations if nothing else.
Are you really such a good little soldier that the supreme court makes a bad decision and you immediately reorient your entire moral framework to match?
What do you mean by am I just going to comply? What does that even mean? What am I supposed to do? Trump is the one not complying along with the Supreme Court and Congress. None of these groups are doing their job. This has happened over and over and over again and still half the country is either cheering it on or clearly ok with it. The other half either don’t care or have been neutered. America democratically voted for this. Don’t blame me for not being emotional enough in a comment.
Resistance starts in the mind. Fascists want you to think the way you’re thinking, because if you can’t even get to the point of giving a shit about what they’re doing, you’ll never ever get to the point of actually doing something about it.
Refusing to comply really can be as simple as just choosing to call out their evil, every single time. It’s a starting point. It’s easy and trite to say that big trees grow from small acorns, but much harder to really understand what that means, to take into your heart the idea that every single word or act of defiance matters, that enough drops really do make an ocean.
I’m not asking you to plan a revolution. I’m just asking you to give a shit. Because the people telling you to stop giving a shit are the ones who want to do terrible things to your country, and they need your passivity in order to succeed.
Lemmy loves the defeatist, resigned, comply in advance mentality. It pretty uniformly gets voted to the top.
And exactly what is your grand plan, oh wise one?
Trump has been ignoring court orders left and right. Mass firings are still happening. Fired workers haven’t been rehired. Kilmar Garcia is still stuck in El Salvador. Immigrants are still being sent to third world countries with no notice or due process. Trump is issuing unconstitutional executive orders on the daily, and the Supreme Court themselves may very well rule that all of this is OK.
Hell, Trump’s lawyers just argued in front of the Supreme Court that they will not abide by the Supreme Court’s decision if they don’t like it. SCOTUS judges didn’t even reply with any kind of threat of consequences for ignoring a SCOTUS decision. They just accepted that Trump may or may not ignore the court and moved on with questioning. Why? Because they know they have no enforcement mechanism. Neither do any of the other courts. Why do you think they’ve done exactly nothing but issue empty threats of some arbitrary and undefined “contempt” charges for DOJ lackeys if they lie to the court 20 or 30 more times? Because that’s all they’ve got. Anything beyond that and they’ll be exposed for having no enforcement mechanism when Trump tells them to go pound sand. The court’s threats have already been exposed as being about as effective as mommy telling a beligerent toddler that she’s going to count to three, but keeps stopping at two and a half, two and three quarters…
And we all know how it works out. No punishment ever comes. Mommy eventually buys the screaming child the toy just to shut him up, and then wonders why he pulls another temper tantrum in the next store they visit. Same thing applies here.
But hey, if you’ve got a viable plan besides taking an extra hit of copium and hoping for the best, I’d love to hear it.
are you charging into battle as we speak?
A person raising their voice is doing more than a person who chooses to stay silent. Why would you direct your anger at the former rather than the latter?
This idea that anyone “not doing enough” needs to shut up and sit down is exactly the kind of toxic bullshit that fascists want you to consume. They want you to feel that everything has to either be some huge world changing gesture, or it’s just not worth it. Life isn’t like that. Real resistance isn’t about blowing up the Death Star, it’s about thousands, millions of tiny acts of defiance that build upon each other. Every time someone says “this is wrong” someone else is inspired to agree. Every time someone shows up to a protest, someone else is inspired to show up the next time. You don’t change regimes in a day, and you don’t build movements out of nothing. They accumulate, millions of tiny choices gathering together into a vast whole.
At this point it’s basically just propaganda to give the illusion that something is being done.
Like how Putin has elections
He has immunity for “Official” presidential acts. Establishing/ promoting a private business concern is NOT an official presidential act.
The problem is that SCOTUS said two things:
“Official” acts are basically whatever Trump says they are unless the Supreme Court says otherwise.
Official acts can’t be investigated or used as evidence of criminal activity for unofficial acts. In other words, if Trump says it’s tied to an official act, it’s covered as well.
In other words, Trump can do whatever the fuck he wants. All he’s got to say is that the whole thing was tied to his implementation of economic policy or something and it’s suddenly an “official act” that can’t even be investigated unless the Supreme Court says it can.
The SC retained the right to define what constitutes “official.” Which this will be.