“Whether you like it, or not, history is on our side. We will bury you,” he said quoting former USSR leader Nikita Khrushchev.

Russian politician Dmitry Medvedev said on Tuesday Russia could have a right to go to war with NATO.

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    I wonder… does medvedev have enough wits left to understand that if Russia has that right… then everyone … has that right?

    They’re finding Ukraine difficult enough. Sure we’re sharing some toys (a lot of toys)… but they don’t have carriers or attack subs or missile destroyers…

    Threatening nato is not a sane decision to make. We might just take them at their word.

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      The toys we’re sharing are our older toys from the 80s and 90s even. Its not even the more deadly stuff we have…and they’re fighting against a force that’s getting a few weeks training on these toys and sent out into the field. If russia truly wants a 72 hour war…all it would need to do is attack NATO.

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        Yeah, Ukraine is excited about maybe getting some F-16s and how much that could help with the air war and meanwhile a couple of F-22s could take down a whole squadron of them.

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          It’s not the war, it’s the keeping.

          In any case, we’d probably bog down around the same time China and everyone else on that side got involved. I don’t think it would be as clean or as quick. But, yeah. We could definitely screw them pretty harshly without ever landing troops

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            China and Russia have no military alliance, Xi is just taking advantage of the fantastic business opportunity that opened up for him for cheap Russian imports. If Chinese troops became militarily involved in Russian territory, it would probably be to acquire their claims over eastern Siberia, dating back to the Qing Dynasty. Otherwise he’s just be supporting a state that competes with him for the dominant regional position.

            The Tsar took that land from them, back in the day though. If you look at their current claimed territories, they never forgot. Maybe if Russia agreed to become a subject state of China, then they’d help militarily, but they’re certainly not friends or allies.

            Russia does have actual allies, but not many. And China isn’t one of them.

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              So what you’re saying is we could Jalta Russia at the Urals with the Chinese and set up Cold War 2 on a really big scale?

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            We don’t need to occupy Russia to stop them from continuing a war that they start. We can just destroy their equipment and manufacturing locations so their armed forces surrender.

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            There isn’t anyone really on that side . China and NATO have differences, but China doesn’t have anything to gain from helping Russia, and nthey lose a lot is NATO loses. They will sit out. Similar with India, they will stay out . Iran or a few other small counties might consider joining, but I doubt it as most are smart enough to know that is suicide.

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              Idk, China might see the spread of resources as a good opportunity to try an invasion of Taiwan.

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                Maybe, Xi seems just sane enough not to try, but who knows. China and Russia can’t really win against NATO though they make things harder. India likely hates China enough to join NATO as well.

                Of course we are talking nuclear armed countries so everyone loses is possible.

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        There’s also the option that it’s going to be a 30-ish minute war. 50-ish if the other side manages to get their counter value force airborne.

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      America is not giving Ukraine the most advanced weapons and that is stopping Russia.

      Imagine if America used their pre advanced weapons.

      It’s posturing. Russia wants to look tough. They’re a paper tiger.

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        And at full scale. This is definitely typical Russian posturing, ie total bullshit that everyone knows is bullshit but they say it anyway.

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        Total posturing. A few hundred of these would end the war overnight: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AGM-158_JASSM

        These aren’t even classified. Poland and Finland have them, today.

        Ukraine is keeping Russia in check with cardboard launched grenades. It’s pretty amazing, honestly; both how innovative Ukraine has been under duress with almost nothing, and how bad Russia has performed in this mess they’ve dumped themselves in.

        A few too many toes over NATO lines would decapitate the Kremlin, probably before anything could be done in response.

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      For 4 Easy payments of 19.95 you too can get your shit pushed in by 31 different countries, with the added bonus of having someone else raise your children.

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      Russia is the irritating kid down the street who just broke his nerf gun so he’s threatening to throw the darts at you instead and tell his mom you’re not invited to his birthday party…

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    Whether you like it, or not, history is on our side. We will bury you

    Because we all know the Soviet Union and Russia are exactly the same thing and the Russian military is definitely as powerful and as capable as the Soviet Union, no doubt. Please pay no attention to the complete lack of victory in Ukraine.

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      Russia doesn’t need a victory, it needs a long running war. Because this war is bringing Russia shitloads of money.

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        Ah yes it’s making Russia so much money which is why their economy is in perfect condition and the ruble is worth more than ever!

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          I think they’re at least partially right, Russia’s strategy appears to be throw as many men at the problem to keep the front line stalemate going in the hopes the Western donations eventually dry up, then throw even more men at Ukraine until they can win. An obvious pyrrhic victory to most, but when did hundreds of thousands of deaths and a decimated economy ever trump expansionism for Putin and his cronies?

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          Ruble worth is irrelevant, especially since they don’t neeed to buy stuff from EU and US anymore. But Russian economy is in a healthy state.

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          No, they just talk bullshit to score points with Russian sheeple. But that doesn’t mean Putin’s regime needs a victory.

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    So has Denmark.

    Though it would be funny ig Russia didn’t. Imagine Putin declaring war on Poland and Poland just saying “no, it’s against the law.”

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    Nobody is stopping them from exercising that right against any NATO country. What about Poland? They have been a historical nuisance, Dimi. Just shoot a rocket at a farm somewhere, but make it intentional this time.

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    I mean… he’s not wrong? They could have a war with NATO any time they wanted it. Russia could have war with NATO whenever they want it. They’ve been very careful to not actually DO that, of course. Last thing they need is to start losing another one with someone who won’t have any difficulty in bringing the full conflict right to them.

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    The second greatest army in Ukraine wants to mess with Nato? LOL

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      “Mister Krushchev said, “We will bury you” I don’t subscribe to this point of view It’d be such an ignorant thing to do If the Russians love their children too”

      -Sting

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    Oh no, we’re all gonna be totally dead in 3 days. Remember how they took Kiev in 3 days? Flawlessly.

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    How are they gonna have time to bury anybody when they’re busy burying hundreds of thousands of citizens they force to go to war for them?

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      Oh don’t bother. Medvedev is a joke. Always has been. I tell you this as a Russian.

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      You know, it makes me wonder if we’d even need troops in the conflict zone. We probably can use drones and satellite to find the enemy, then use drones to elimate them. It’s not asymmetrical warfare like Afghanistan or Iraq.