‼️ “Notes of Private Jong.” Part 2: “Using Live Bait”

In the notebook of a North Korean special forces operative neutralized in the Kursk region, he detailed a method for luring Ukrainian drones using live bait.

Before his encounter with Ukrainian Special Operations Forces (SOF) operators, Private Gyeong Hong Jong outlined tactics for downing UAVs and evading Ukrainian artillery in his notebook.

It is unclear whether this strategy originates from authentic North Korean military doctrine or was taught to them by Russians. However, the tactic relies on using live bait.

Here is the full transcription of another entry from the captured notebook, secured in the Kursk region by SOF operators. The entry is accompanied by illustrations drawn by the North Korean SOF soldier:

“How to neutralize a drone.”

Upon spotting a drone, form a trio (3 people). The person baiting the drone maintains a distance of 7 meters, while the shooters position themselves 10-12 meters away.

If the bait person remains stationary, the drone will also stop its movement. At this moment, the shooter should eliminate the drone.

“How to avoid artillery fire.”

If caught in an artillery strike zone, designate a regrouping point for the team, then scatter into small groups and exit the strike zone.

Another method: since artillery rarely hits the same location twice, hide in a previously targeted spot before moving out of the strike zone.

The Ukrainian SOF continues to eliminate North Korean special forces operatives in Russia’s Kursk region.

While we continue to decode the captured notes of Private Jong, you can read the first part of his notebook here. Stay tuned for more.

https://t.me/ukr_sof/1326

  • OmegaLemmy@discuss.online
    7·
    1 day ago

    I swear if only they had parchment or those Chinese scrolls with ink it would be such a good replica of those old Chinese scrolls that recorded history

  • DarkThoughts@fedia.io
    27·
    2 days ago

    If the bait person remains stationary, the drone will also stop its movement.

    I guess this is for grenade dropping drones? Because a suicide drone is definitely not going to stand still. lol

    • Grimpen@lemmy.ca
      202·
      2 days ago

      I don’t think the North Korean soldiers have much choice.

      If I were a DPRK soldier sent to Russia, I would be taking notes on how to desert, although Russia and North Korea probably have a decent amount of experience dealing with this, so chances might be slim. Still, I’m thinking the chances look better.

  • Maggoty@lemmy.world
    341·
    2 days ago

    Artillery rarely hits the same spot twice…

    Lmao. You/Me REPEAT last fire mission, over.

    Staying in the same spot just means the Forward Observers have time to get your death on video.

    • DarkThoughts@fedia.io
      9·
      2 days ago

      If you only know very inaccurate howitzers then this is somewhat true. Most western artillery will be very accurate up to a few meters though.

    • Milk_Sheikh@lemm.ee
      123·
      2 days ago

      It’s actually a decent idea, if you’re only facing arty. Any defilade beats standing up in an open field, and even the most Gucci shells (@ over $100,000/ea) still have a ~10 meter CEP and require good GPS signal - something that Russia routinely jams.

      Hitting the exact same spot with artillery is rare, but chilling out in a shell crater just makes you primo FPV/dropper bait. No good way out except surrender.

      • Maggoty@lemmy.world
        131·
        2 days ago

        Infantry in the open calls for airburst. There’s not going to be a shell hole. Laying down in a barrage is only good as an immediate reaction, if you have overhead cover, or if you absolutely cannot leave your position.The second reaction is to call the rallies and hope the rounds drift the other way.

        • Milk_Sheikh@lemm.ee
          61·
          2 days ago

          This is Ukraine v Russia in nearly the third year of full scale war, not a testing ground or Able Archer ‘83. In an idea scenario airburst and/or cluster is absolutely the remedy for enemy infantry in the open, but DPICM is not universally available - nor even conventional HE for that matter, shell hunger is well documented and prolific for the Ukrainians.

          Having the super spec gear is neat, but the breadth of the composition matters a lot more than the abilities of your coolest kit if it isn’t widely available.

            • Milk_Sheikh@lemm.ee
              2·
              2 days ago

              The overwhelming majority of footage I’ve seen from this war has been HE exploding at ground level, DPICM or self propelled guns are the only cases that I’ve seen evidence of programming/timing being done by gun crews.

              M777 and Caesar were cheaper and more effective because both could set up quickly, fire several shells and then be gone in about a minute or two. That was quick enough to avoid counterbattery fire

              They aren’t hanging around, getting feedback and adjusting fires - setup, shoot, and go. The PzHs are rare and valuable, most of what you’ll see is M777 and Caesar/Bohdana, or towed Soviet leftovers in rear areas.

              • Maggoty@lemmy.world
                5·
                1 day ago

                It’s not that kind of thing. You set the fuse with a wrench when you get the fire mission call. As low tech as could be in the field. The FO sends the call in and either requests a fuse or describes the target and lets the battery decide the fuse. Infantry in the open is always airburst and there are videos of that being used, most recently against the North Korean troops who actually did try to just lay down to avoid it.

                Entrenched infantry uses ground burst or air burst depending on what effect you want. You can destroy mines and fortifications or try to catch infantry in the open top areas with airburst. Vehicles are likewise ground detonation because you’re trying to track or marry a 155 shell to the top of a vehicle.

                This all without discussing proximity fuses that go off at waist height. Their purpose is to use over pressure and an impact sheaf to kill everyone in a 30-300 meter by 20-100 meter rectangle.

                And again this is set with a wrench right before you load the round, so no adjusting fire or anything is necessary.

                • Milk_Sheikh@lemm.ee
                  4·
                  2 days ago

                  And here I am arguing under a misapprehension about airburst for arty being the same ‘flying shotgun’ kinetic submunition shrapnel the British developed before WW1, or the later flechettes, instead of the 2-10 meter HE burst height used nowadays…

                  Thanks for the info, I have some more reading to do clearly about contemporary gunnery methods and sheafs v beaten zones

  • OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml
    351·
    2 days ago

    The notes also call the drone a non-human device. Imagine that’s your best description… Feelsbadman

    • NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world
      26·
      2 days ago

      Could that just be a translation thing? Some things don’t translate well and if you take the literal meaning, you’d have things like this in all languages thinking wtf.

      • Object@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
        9·
        2 days ago

        무인기 (non-human device) is a term that is used commonly in South Korean military alongside 드론 (pronunciation of drone written in Korean), so it’s not too weird to see it there. They tend to avoid borrowed words for some reason.

    • Object@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      53·
      3 days ago

      I’m Korean, and while I can’t make out what it exactly says because of the handwriting, some words are recognisable and the translation in the OP’s post seems accurate. I don’t see anything they missed out either.

      I don’t have a Telegram account, so I can’t see other contents.

    • thefactremains@lemmy.world
      255·
      3 days ago

      ChatGPT: Just above the drawing, the handwritten Korean text seems to describe a situation or an action plan. Based on visual inspection, here is an approximate transcription and translation:

      Transcription (Approximate):

      1. 적의 위치를 파악하고 이동 경로를 예측한다.

      2. 팀원과 협력하여 효율적으로 방어/공격을 실행한다.

      Translation:

      1. Identify the enemy’s position and predict their movement path.

      2. Collaborate with teammates to efficiently execute defense/attack.

      Below the drawing seems to be a set of brief notes or steps. Here’s a rough transcription and possible translation attempt for the text directly under the drawing:

      Transcription (Approximate):

      1. 고개를 숙여서 적을 확인하고 바로 행동

      2. 상대가 움직이는 방향을 분석하며 포지션 유지

      3. 잘못된 위치에서 움직이지 말고 주변을 경계한다.

      Translation:

      1. Lower your head to check the enemy and act immediately.

      2. Analyze the direction the opponent is moving while maintaining your position.

      3. Do not move from an incorrect position; stay alert to your surroundings.

      The context seems to involve instructions for an exercise or scenario involving situational awareness and movement.

      • wax@feddit.nu
        1·
        2 days ago

        This is actually a pretty good use for LLMs. It fills in probable words where the writing is unintelligible.

        • Hoimo@ani.social
          2·
          2 days ago

          Only problem is you now have a translation that makes you go “hmm, seems right”, but you have no way of judging that yourself, so you’d need an expert anyway. Sometimes, having no information is better than having wrong information.