A new study led by epidemiologists at Brown University found that among firearm owners, less safe storage was associated with higher blood lead levels in children.
Copper for slugs, while more expensive has a risk level close to 0 in comparison to lead. It also has excellent ballistic properties and will expand properly with designs like hollow points
It’s actually not the projectile that causes most of the lead exposure for shooters. It’s the cartridge primers, they use lead styphnate for their explosive. Copper bullets are mainly to not spread lead through the environment where it can harm wildlife, and to avoid the risk of consuming lead in shot animals.
Most traditional hollowpoints aren’t designed to break apart into shrapnel. They’re designed to expand in a controlled manner. The FBI protocol is that it should expand after passing through four layers of cloth (denim, fleece, cotton, and something else), then penetrate between 12 and 18 inches through standardized ballistics gel.
A non expanding bullet might get double that much penetration if it doesn’t start tumbling. Projectiles designed for large, dangerous game are designed for no expansion and maximum penetration. It all depends on what the goal is.
There’s a lot of youtube where people have put that kind of stuff to the test if you want to dig. There are a few results out there that are non-intuitive. For example, a regular 38 special hollow point out of a modern revolver often doesn’t get enough velocity to expand, so the cavity will fill up with cloth and over penetrate the gel even though it’s substantially less powerful than a 9mm.
Per friend: -$35 a person $12 for the second and ammo varies wildly. They start about $20/$30 a box for 9mm 50 rounds, but most people use 1/2 boxes ler trip"
Also, per them, tungsten is a no-no due to its armor-piercing abilities.
We also really need to normalize lead management. When I went shooting in scouts as a kid I learned all the responsible gun operation saftey stuff, but never even thought about the lead exposure till I was an adult
I’d never even heard of de-leading products for getting yourself cleaned up after shooting until deviant ollam on YouTube talked about them in passing in a video
(great channel by the way, it’s hard to find any folks who talk about guns online that a turbo chud)
In a country with more guns than people, that’s like saying you’re surprised people with a driver’s license don’t all drive F350 super duty’s…
Even worse, because when push comes to literal shove, the people with the most guns make the decisions. January 6th should have proved that if nothing else did, if they had showed up with guns they’d have accomplished their goals easily.
Don’t take it for granted that America will never need another revolution, or that a couple thousand armed people can’t accomplish anything.
Fuck man, now more than ever it’s the responsibility of every good American to own and be proficient with a rifle.
Take a fucking look around, you think trump is handing the White House to anyone in 2.5 years?
Buy a fucking rifle while you can if you haven’t already, or at least stop shit talking people who take logical precautions with our current reality.
I have been getting the lgbt+ people in my area acquainted with firearms, and while some of them aren’t mentally in a place where they can join us, they will be protected if needed.
Already this year one of my “students” has had to defend themselves in an alley while walking home. Guy made transphobic comments, waited outside and followed. Security cameras managed to catch everything but in this city if there hadn’t been cameras, she’d be tossed in a cell with a bunch of guys and then the cops would leave and hope something bad happens. It wouldn’t be the first time.
When the people surrounding you would happily chuck a stone at you or hoist the rope into the tree with the rest of the lynch mob, and cops won’t protect you, all the people trying to mock you for being prepared just look like naive children whose world view extends to the end of their HOA.
That almost certainly has nothing to do with storage and instead is about frequency of shooting.
People that have one gun locked in safe that never gets open, aren’t shooting it.
Someone doing a weekly range trip is going to bring home a bunch of lead dust regardless of how they store the gun.
We really need to get away from lead in firearms
Copper for slugs, while more expensive has a risk level close to 0 in comparison to lead. It also has excellent ballistic properties and will expand properly with designs like hollow points
It’s actually not the projectile that causes most of the lead exposure for shooters. It’s the cartridge primers, they use lead styphnate for their explosive. Copper bullets are mainly to not spread lead through the environment where it can harm wildlife, and to avoid the risk of consuming lead in shot animals.
Aren’t expanding bullets horrible and should be illegal?
No. They keep the projectile from over-penetrating the intended target.
Isn’t it better to have penetration without a bunch of shards?
Most traditional hollowpoints aren’t designed to break apart into shrapnel. They’re designed to expand in a controlled manner. The FBI protocol is that it should expand after passing through four layers of cloth (denim, fleece, cotton, and something else), then penetrate between 12 and 18 inches through standardized ballistics gel.
A non expanding bullet might get double that much penetration if it doesn’t start tumbling. Projectiles designed for large, dangerous game are designed for no expansion and maximum penetration. It all depends on what the goal is.
There’s a lot of youtube where people have put that kind of stuff to the test if you want to dig. There are a few results out there that are non-intuitive. For example, a regular 38 special hollow point out of a modern revolver often doesn’t get enough velocity to expand, so the cavity will fill up with cloth and over penetrate the gel even though it’s substantially less powerful than a 9mm.
Sounds expensive
Tungsten, too.
The problem is really the cost. To go to the range and spend $30 would instead cost $150. I think the average person would buy the lead.
I’ll ask a friend of mine who worked at a range recently to see what people are spending.
Per friend: -$35 a person $12 for the second and ammo varies wildly. They start about $20/$30 a box for 9mm 50 rounds, but most people use 1/2 boxes ler trip"
Also, per them, tungsten is a no-no due to its armor-piercing abilities.
$20 for 50 rounds of 9mm is exceptionally high. 20-25 cents per round for target ammo is closer to reality. https://ammoseek.com/ammo/9mm-luger
It’s probably the cost buying from the range. Might also be regional. I’m going to keep replying to myself.
We also really need to normalize lead management. When I went shooting in scouts as a kid I learned all the responsible gun operation saftey stuff, but never even thought about the lead exposure till I was an adult
I’d never even heard of de-leading products for getting yourself cleaned up after shooting until deviant ollam on YouTube talked about them in passing in a video
(great channel by the way, it’s hard to find any folks who talk about guns online that a turbo chud)
Edit: misspelled “deviant” lol
Why not just get rid of firearms completely?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYOjWnS4cMY
I’m surprised that song didn’t anger gun owners.
In a country with more guns than people, that’s like saying you’re surprised people with a driver’s license don’t all drive F350 super duty’s…
Even worse, because when push comes to literal shove, the people with the most guns make the decisions. January 6th should have proved that if nothing else did, if they had showed up with guns they’d have accomplished their goals easily.
Don’t take it for granted that America will never need another revolution, or that a couple thousand armed people can’t accomplish anything.
Fuck man, now more than ever it’s the responsibility of every good American to own and be proficient with a rifle.
Take a fucking look around, you think trump is handing the White House to anyone in 2.5 years?
Buy a fucking rifle while you can if you haven’t already, or at least stop shit talking people who take logical precautions with our current reality.
I have been getting the lgbt+ people in my area acquainted with firearms, and while some of them aren’t mentally in a place where they can join us, they will be protected if needed.
Already this year one of my “students” has had to defend themselves in an alley while walking home. Guy made transphobic comments, waited outside and followed. Security cameras managed to catch everything but in this city if there hadn’t been cameras, she’d be tossed in a cell with a bunch of guys and then the cops would leave and hope something bad happens. It wouldn’t be the first time.
When the people surrounding you would happily chuck a stone at you or hoist the rope into the tree with the rest of the lynch mob, and cops won’t protect you, all the people trying to mock you for being prepared just look like naive children whose world view extends to the end of their HOA.