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    8 months ago

    While I think that’s dope it does feel like it gives Russia valid cause to strike them in host countries and kind of feels like a deliberate provocation to do so?

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          8 months ago

          Russia has stated many things which are often contradictory and false.

          Regardless, attacking NATO countries would be strategic insanity.

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            8 months ago

            they are insane tho, but putin don’t want to die, and their fuxked up defense system can’t cope with the ammount of missiles that gonna rain in his head

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              They’re not insane: everything they’ve done are things they sincerely thought they could get away with, and up until Ukraine Putin has been correct in that regard.

              Pretending to be crazy is an effective strategy: ironically Nixon popularized it during the cold war.

              Attacking targets in NATO countries (even if “justified”) is going to drastically increase the odds NATO gets directly involved in Ukraine – something Putin absolutely doesn’t want.

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              It’s not even politics, It’s just math. NATO has superiority in economy, industrial output, operational equipment and manpower.

              Plus they’re too close to Russia for asymmetric warfare rules.

              I would bet on it, but I’d sure as hell wish we could all get along instead.

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              8 months ago

              Um… Is NATO weaker with the addition of Sweden and Finland? I’m not sure what your definition of “weak” means. I thought having more allies is not weak.

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          8 months ago

          If it’s a NATO country the F-16s are the least of their worries and find out what a real 3 day operation looks like.

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        8 months ago

        This comment is for anyone who is experiencing nuclear-phobia, kinda like I do, to which I strictly mean living with a state of fear or dread about a nuclear apocalypse, this development does puts the world one step closer. It’s okay to be scared by that, I know I am. It doesn’t mean the world is one step away from a nuclear apocalypse. The world has been closer to the brink of nuclear war before and we’re all still here. It’s okay to breathe.

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            8 months ago

            There are sources given for the claims. If they are inaccurate you should remove the sources, and the claim itself if there are no good sources supporting it anymore.

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            Russia is well aware that if they use nuclear weapons it’s over for them, will the rest of the world fall too is another question.

            Either way I truly don’t believe they will do it simply because that ends Russia in its current form, and I don’t think we should allow them to be an aggressor just because they have nukes. Russia needs to be stopped and their saber rattling should rightly be ignored.

            Feel free to @ me if you die in a nuclear apocalypse to prove me wrong. Till then let’s keep enabling Ukraine to fight back and continue Russias massive embarrassment and degradation of power and capabilities.

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                8 months ago

                Mind sharing some sources on that? Since it is a bit of a bold statement.

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                    The first one is from Thu April 27, 2023 more then a year ago. And does not state what you think it does. I mean it ends with: "“[A]ccording to the modeling that we’ve very carefully done with them, the Ukrainians are in a good position,” he said. “They have some weaknesses that I prefer not to talk about in public … But we are confident — in terms of their surprise and things like that. of course, we’ve worked on all that with them.” "

                    The second one is literally called “The Attritional Art of War” and is trying to sell russia losing men and equipment as a good thing, basically as practice for when they go up against the west “for real”. This is not saying they are stronger.

                    The third one is about russia replacing losses faster with new troops. Oh and the whole statement is from a US general trying to get congress to release money with the dire warring that Ukraine could lose if they don’t. And even after all that the statement is: "The overall message I would give you is [Russia’s military has] grown back to what they were before,” not stronger.

                    The forth one is about how with russia’s managed economy they have been able to ramp up shell production faster then any other nation (no shit) and now are set to make 3,000,000 shells a year. This does not say they are “stronger” then before since russia has used about 10,000 shells a day on average (according to the western estimates) making a short fall of about 650000 shells a year.

                    The fifth one is about the IMF upgrading its forecast, really?

                    The last one is neat but does not back your claims up. It even says things like: "The Russian Armed Forces’ inability to realise the Kremlin’s imperialist ambitions in Ukraine within the initially planned timeframe in early 2022, coupled with the resilient Ukrainian resistance to the invasion, has led to significant losses for Russia not only in terms of personnel but also in military equipment. The need to compensate for equipment losses and to produce the required artillery ammunition[1] to sustain the conflict in Ukraine has posed a serious challenge to the Russian military-industrial complex "

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        8 months ago

        Russia said they would nuke the west 10 times already, they have rattled the saber too much and nobody believes the threat.

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        I would be shocked if Russia did, the west has been pretty limited with allowing Ukrainian strikes with western systems on Russia even to this day. Like it or not I don’t think they would attempt to strike another country because they are scared of relatiation.

        I would be happy to be wrong, because if they do I think the west would join the war or allow Ukraine more Freedom with their systems. Either way the net outcome is Russians still loosing the long game, like they currently are