• macniel@feddit.de
    349·
    6 months ago

    Well fuck Canonical.

    But second, if this explicit sync fixes flickering… Then it’s a Bugfix thus a minor patch, no?

    So to iterate on point 1: fuck Canonical.

    • Vincent@feddit.nl
      25·
      6 months ago

      Seems like a bit of an overreaction. From what I can see, it’s mostly that Ubuntu don’t seem confident enough to ship this without more rigorous testing (i.e. they think it might introduce other/more severe bugs), so they want resume doing that testing before shipping it. Doesn’t really seem harmful to anyone that didn’t explicitly choose to use Ubuntu.

    • Ephera@lemmy.ml
      6·
      6 months ago

      I don’t think, it really matters whether it fixes a bug. This is about how many code changes it makes and therefore how many new bugs, it potentially introduces.

      This explicit sync thingamabob was definitely a bigger code change.

      I do find it weird that Ubuntu terminates this exception, seemingly from one disagreement, but hard to say what went on behind the scenes beforehand. And as the other guy pointed out, I don’t think the impact of this decision is that big, so I’m not sure, it deserves infinite scrutiny…

  • Hector@lemmy.ca
    262·
    6 months ago

    A much needed feature gets released quicker than usual for the benefit of users and they complain about broken faith? They could have just delayed the release until they tested it thoroughly. Using that kind of wording makes me feel they’re just in for the drama.

    • kbal@fedia.io
      14·
      6 months ago

      Using that kind of wording makes me feel they’re just in for the drama.

      Who? The headline writer? I’m sure they’d probably love it if they could get a quote from Mark Shuttleworth saying “Lo, they have violated the sacred covenant of semantic versioning. Heresy! We shall drive them out of the release cycle where vultures may peck at their commit logs” but, you know, so far they didn’t.

      • IrritableOcelot@beehaw.org
        1·
        6 months ago

        Yeah, the headline writer. The actual information (and indeed the entire article) doesn’t say anything about breaking a covenant, its just that Canonical is changing how they treat updates.

  • LeFantome@programming.dev
    192·
    6 months ago

    I want everybody to get this stuff as soon as possible but, in this case, I agree with Ubuntu.

    They do not support Wayland on NVIDIA in 24.04 at all. So, this cannot be a bug fix. It has been worked on for a long time. It is a new feature.

    • bjorney@lemmy.ca
      16·
      6 months ago

      GNOME said this update is a minor bug fix (point release)

      Canonical said this is actually a major feature update, and doesn’t want to backport it into its LTS repositories

        • bjorney@lemmy.ca
          6·
          6 months ago

          The feature is explicit sync, which is a brand new graphics stack API that would fix some issues with nvidia rendering under Wayland.

          It’s not a big deal, canonical basically said ‘this isn’t a bug fix or security patch, it’s not getting backported into our LTS release’ - so if you want it you have to install GNOME/mutter from source, switch operating systems, or just wait a few months for the next Ubuntu release

    • winterayars@sh.itjust.works
      1·
      6 months ago

      Ubuntu previously was excepting Gnome point releases from major testing on the grounds that Gnome’s point releases are all big fixes and thus don’t require Ubuntu’s major testing process. Gnome shipped a new major feature in a point release and so Ubuntu said “oops, guess we gotta test their point releases after all”. Practically, it means Gnome point releases take longer to get into Ubuntu than they previously did (but are more tested for bugs).

  • HumanPenguin@feddit.ukEnglish
    83·
    6 months ago

    As gnome shell and ubuntu. Have nio such good faith agreement.

    And thisbis just a process ubuntu has to reduce its own work load.

    Who really cares. Ubuntu can include and reject any software they choose.

    Ubuntu users can also add and take what ever risks they choose.

    And gnomeshell can choose to change there releases and software as they choose.

    This os the cost of free as in speach software. If you are need 3rd parties to make your software work. You have to accept they have the same freedoms you insist on.

    Personally i prefer that and the option to use older versions if thing go wrong. Then a privrate for profit ccompany making the same choices with less freedom for me.

  • TheGrandNagus@lemmy.worldEnglish
    3·
    6 months ago

    I’m with the Gnome team here.

    Sure, “point” releases with Gnome are generally only bug fixes, and Canonical likes that because they just merge those changes without doing much, if any, testing.

    But it’s also worth mentioning that:

    • Gnome is extremely pro-wayland. They’ve suggested it as default for non-nvidia hardware since 2016. Of course they’re going to rush explicit sync support out, and they’ve done a good job getting it ready in a short space of time. What, are they just supposed to wait until September/October, just for the benefit of Canonical? Fuck no.

    • This was literally never an agreement in the first place.

    • This is a bugfix, in that it fixes the flickering issues with Nvidia hardware. So even if there was an agreement, I wouldn’t consider it broken, really.

    • There are distros other than Ubuntu, and I imagine they want this fix ASAP.

    • Gnome is run by Gnome devs. Not by Canonical. If they don’t like it, fork it or go back to Unity or something. It’s not like Canonical doesn’t have the money.

    I fear people will interpret this story as “ugh gnome devs being gnome devs!”, like they always do. But as usual, there’s a reason for Gnome making this choice, and in this case they’re unquestionably correct, IMO.

    • woelkchen@lemmy.world
      1·
      5 months ago

      What, are they just supposed to wait until September/October, just for the benefit of Canonical? Fuck no.

      Or Nvidia could just release non-broken drivers. The fault is buggy/incomplete Wayland support in the NVidia driver.

  • AutoTL;DR@lemmings.worldBEnglish
    52·
    6 months ago

    This is the best summary I could come up with:

    GNOME Shell and Mutter had been covered by Ubuntu’s GNOME MicroReleaseException “MRE” policy that allows for new point releases to ship rather easily as stable updates to existing Ubuntu Linux releases.

    But breaking the camel’s back is GNOME 46.1 shipping explicit sync support.

    Due to landing a “significant new feature” into a point release, the GNOME Shell and Mutter are no longer covered by this exception.

    But the intent is that the point releases are focused on just fixing bugs and not adding new features or other big changes.

    Longtime Ubuntu developer Christopher James Halse Rogers announced today that GNOME Shell and Mutter are no longer covered by this exception: "It has been brought to the SRU team’s attention that mutter has landed a significant new feature in the 46.1 point release.

    The GNOME MicroReleaseException policy historically exists on the basis that the GNOME release and testing process broadly matches SRU policy, so duplicating that process by performing a full SRU review on GNOME point releases would be unnecessary work.

    The original article contains 251 words, the summary contains 170 words. Saved 32%. I’m a bot and I’m open source!

    • rotopenguin@infosec.pubEnglish
      11·
      6 months ago

      Ubuntu has an installer that largely works. I just went through trying to install Bazzite (fedora), it insisted that I needed another -890GB of space. At best, I managed to get to where it errored out at the end of another install attempt, and left a broken grub setup.

      • Petter1@lemm.ee
        1·
        6 months ago

        🤔I think must have understood something wrong there?

        EndeavorOS, linux mint, OpenSuse, many more use Calamares as installer, which is very similar (or the same, I don’t know exactly) as ubuntu uses.