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  • Your logic is flawed. Even if we reduced births to 10% of current rates. Those children would need more parental support for longer. As that generation would be more dependent on parental and family bonding due to lack of a same aged community to learn and grow with.

    We are a species evolved to have very, very dependent young, rather than most other mammals. This presented up with advantages in the predator / prey fight that is evolution. But it also left our young depended on tribal societies to survive.

    Parental leave is just the modern capitalistic equivalent of the tribe coming together to raise its young. It is the recent historic lack of it in many societies and post-industrial revolution that is odd. Not the return.

    You as a non parent will eventually need these children to learn to manage the society you live in. Just because you choose to be child free yourself. Does not mean you will not depend on them as adults as you age. As you age you will need educated doctors nurses and Bin men to ensure your life is liveable. Those adults are the very children you think are not your responsibility now.

    But unless you are a hermit living entirely on the milk of your own land. (if so you are already not funding this).

    Then yes, you and all of us are involved in raising the future population.



  • Not really. While the green party is left of labour. Its green credentials are pretty poor. Nimbyism has made them choose some rather odd positions.

    This is an issue as it is a one issue named party. So like labour making odd non worker beneficial policies harms labour among left wing. Those nimby votes harm green reputation among green.

    And while the 2 Green and left are not really related. They have a freaking huge crossover on a venn diagram. So both are rejected by a large % of the left.


  • What politics? You are bringing up politics…

    Pretty hard to talk UK immigration since 2016 and not be brining up politics. The wholer subject is about politics. Hence why.

    Also, I never heard of immigration regime being subject to such things as disability anti discrimination laws.

    Any law or process passed by parliament is required not to contradict other laws. That is the whole job of the House of Lords. To not be covered by discrimination laws, the immigration laws would need to specifically exclude it. They do not. Nor would the ECHR Treaties allow them to without leaving thos treaties.

    Does autism is even count as disability? Maybe this is a UK or EU specific thing but it still does not pass a basic bullshit test.

    Yes, it very much is counted as a disability. Historically, more so than now, As in the past autism and Asperger were considered different conditions. We now know they are just different levels of the same condition. This unfortunately has led to many uninformed people seeing all autism under the ideas that it is not a serious mental health condition. When for many it can leave you totally unable to interact with the world around you. Like all disabilities, the level can be very different. But they are still classed as a disability. And just like anyone else, government departments are required to make reasonable accommodations. And the immigration law has sp[specific exceptions to the dependency descriptions for exactly this reason.

    The state generally reserves right to deny anyone entry or residency for any reason subject to some limitations.

    Utter rubbish. The Geneva convention is just one example of a huge treaty covering a significant % of the planet that denies that daft claim. As it has rules about accepting asylum seekers right down to making any entry method legal is asylum is claimed.

    As for this case, the ECHR has specific restrictions of the right to live as family. This means when one member of a family is accepted, dependents and those depended on must also be allowed. It also has laws that have to consider ability when classing a dependent.

    Generally speaking adult children are not auto admitted, people with disabilities are not permitted to enter or stay just because they got a disability.

    Legally, the level and effect of that disability must be considered under the compelling compassionate exception rule of the immigration act. But your definition ( just because they got a disability). Is sorta correct. It requires the effect of that disability on the dependents’ ability to live alone to be taken into account. But the article indicates clearly that this girl has one of the more extreme cases of autism. As many do.

    The law can include the exception but presumably discretion rests with the reviewing paper pusher.

    No, in pretty much every case within civil service jobs. The paper pusher is required to follow a procedure. And that is why this turned to politics. Just after announcing the election, the Tory party changed those procedures to be more strict. Without changing the laws to match that change. This is not something legal for a government to do. This has been the reason the government loses 60% or more of court cases where they reject disability claims for benefit. (since 2010). Adding the same changes to HMRC is another mess that is just starting to show.

    Is there evidence that this paper pusher acted in bad faith or mis applied the law?

    The evidence is still to be addressed, but the accusation is the government miss applied the law when issuing changes to HMRC policy during the election period.

    Why should “compassionate exemptions” apply to a 19 year old? did they supply evidence that she is in fact dependent on them beyond “we pay for her shit because we got money”

    Covered very completely above. The law requires it if her condition means she is unable to live independently, as the article claims.



  • What you see here is your own interpretation from US politics. More to the point a lack of insight into the UK resent legal history.

    The law specifically includes compassionate exemptions to the dependents’ requirement. Because the UK has disability discrimination laws that also apply to mental health. Those laws come from the European court of human rights.

    Something our last government was specifically creating guidelines to disobey. In an attempt to win support to remove the UK (a founding member of that court) from its treaty.

    The result of this is abusing immigrants (this doctor cannot fight the law without leaving his dependent daughter)

    The Tory government did loads of this crap to try and provoke division amongst those opposing them leading up to the election.



  • I suppose it’s possible they won’t make a pig’s ear of it and that the two-ish party rigidity of our system could be broken

    It will only be broken when voters work together to ensure it.

    The left as a whole are too willing to divide the vote. So fptp harms us more than the right, as empathy and emotion is a lower effect on their voting intentions. (I am in no way saying PR would end the right, just increase the power of the left to match actual vote share. )

    So the only possible way w can change FPTP if for the left to agree voting reform is the primary importance. Everything else must take a back seat to this. And even then it would take a few parliaments before the effect was powerful enough.







  • That’s a really niche US reference that hardly anyone outside of the internet will understand, let alone the British public attending this rally.

    If we are honest. Older British public are less likely to be at such a rally. Then younger ones who grew up with the internet. It is a US term, but I think one understood by most Brits likely to attend a rally.

    As for the concept behind it. IE, that of race treason. This is very much an idea that exist in UK non-white culture. Even back in the 90s, we had east Asian TV comedy taking the piss out of people for such things. Rather well as I remember.

    That said. Whether such ideas are actually racist is more a debate by the likes of white racist groups then much of the rest of the UK.

    Given how much of both east Asian and African culture, Arrived in the UK due to commonwealth links before the anti-immigration laws of the 1970s (as UK exported most of its slavery. A small % of current residents arrived here via that route). And the fact that much of the home culture in commonwealth nations has been infected? (best word I can think of) by cosmetic and presentation standards preferred by white culture.

    This idea seems to be seen less offensively within such communities than in America.