Itamar Ben Gvir, Israel’s far-right national security minister, has called for the execution of Palestinian prisoners to ease overcrowding in the country’s jails.
Writing on social media, he welcomed a decision by the Israeli army to build 936 additional prison places for “security prisoners”. “The additional construction will allow the prison service to take in more terrorists, and will bring a partial solution to the prison crisis that exists in the Shabak,” he said, referring to the Israeli Prison Service.
“The death penalty for terrorists is the right solution to the incarceration problem, until then - glad that the government approved the proposal I brought.”
During a visit by members of the Public Defender’s Office, squalid conditions were noted, including “intolerable overcrowding”, with less than three square metres of space per person, poor sanitary conditions, pest issues, inadequate ventilation, and a lack of basic necessities for the incarcerated.
But when I compare this genocide to the Holocaust I get called an antisemite
those people are saying that in bad faith. they’re wiping their asses with the memory of the holocaust, not you
Yes, that comparison is absurd. Don’t do that.
30’000 death, including the terrorists mind you, in more than 6 months means roughly 160 per day. The numbers are hardly going up in the past months.
Ausschwitz, one concentration camp out of many, saw more than 1 million people murdered in about 3 years, about 900 per day.
so when the entire population of gaza strip gets murdered is your argument gonna be “it’s not a holocaust because there were only 2.2 million Palestinians to begin with”
Only pure death figures which match Auschwitz are actual genocides. Got you.
(Fucking what?)
See that’s where you are wrong. Calling evil by showing how it is similar to another evil isn’t trying to minimize one. Is it just about numbers? Their universities, schools, hospitals, records and cultures are being destroyed as we speak. Children are being starved. So you’re saying this isn’t evil enough? Comparing numbers is Israili propaganda at this point. Never again means never again for anyone.
Do you think the dead notice the difference?
What kind of asinine comment is this? What does it even mean? It just seems like a snarky thought-terminating cliché to avoid actually having to engage with difficult ideas. The dead don’t notice anything, they’re dead. Do you think the living notice they weren’t murdered?
You tell me.
A meaningless, empty statement.
I think you’re lost Norbert, we’re not talking about your head.
Wow you sure showed me with your insightful commentary! Snark is definitely a substitute for a well-reasoned discussion!
My dude, dudette, I’m not here to argue with you nor am I obligated to teach you anything. Genocide has very little to do with the quantity of people killed. According to the other person’s estimate 30,000 Palestinians have been killed so far. Even if this wasn’t a genocide, that’s 30,000 people that are no longer with us. We just need a little empathy.
You can compare them in that they are both genocides. The Holocaust was certainly a genocide done on a much larger scale, especially near the end of Nazi Germany. But there isn’t a certain death count needed to count as a genocide, we have multiple international definitions to determine and (ideally) prevent them.
Leaving aside the fact that it’s not the volume that defines genocide, what you’re saying doesn’t seem to take into account the way that genocide ramped up from a lower initial death rate. The Nazis weren’t killing anything like that in the first 6 months.
Aid agencies like UNICEF are saying that at the moment a child is wounded or killed every ten minutes in Gaza.
In 0.5 years the Gaza genocide has already killed about 1.5% of the population. By comparison the Bosnian genocide killed 3% of the population over 2 years.
If you’re arguing about volume when we’re talking about a fascist occupier murdering ethnic prisoners during a genocide, your argument the way the fuck off base.
I refuse to believe that a sane, rational person would put forth such a braindead argument in good faith.
(With my apologies to any braindead people and their families/friends for the unflattering use of the adjective.)
Comparing people that get round up and murdered in insane scales with people in a war zone getting notified about bombings and not leaving is the braindead argument to me.
Since your 160/day figure isn’t enough to make the cut, what’s the magic number to push them over the threshold and turn this atrocity into a full-blown crime against humanity? As long as they max out at the Holocaust’s daily average minus one, everything’s peachy? I have no illusions that any of the newly-minted war criminals in the IDF are going to read this and decide to do anything to stop it but an honest, competent observer must see similarities in the barbarism and motives.
If we want to compare it to the Holocaust, then yes, the numbers need to be in the same region. That has nothing to do with the category genocide etc., for obvious reasons. The way people here argue is somewhat in bad faith, hence no need to answer.
What similarities in the motives and barbarism? Who are these 2 comparable?
Unhinged lunacy.
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