• SCB@lemmy.world
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    1 year ago

    Man, I’m so tired of seeing “human shield” comments

    I, too, am tired of Hamas purposely encouraging civilian casualties.

    On the other hand, if Hamas were to level any of those military buildings in residential areas of Israel, is there any doubt in your mind that Hamas would be accused of war crimes?

    They absolutely would be doing this if the Iron Dome did not exist, and sometimes accomplish it even when it does.

    Quick reminder this entire shitfestival began with Hamas murdering over a thousand innocent people directly.

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      1 year ago

      If you honestly think this began on October 7th, 2023, then you should genuinely stay out of this discussion until you educate yourself on the last 100 years of history.

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        1 year ago

        i mean if you want to bring up Palestine losing two separate wars and thus losing their land, and Hamas refusing every single peace treaty (even though the West Bank accepted the terms), feel free.

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        1 year ago

        This war most assuredly began then as 0 IDF forces were in Gaza for years prior.

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          This is the manipulative framing people love to use but anyone with even a passing understanding of what’s happening can see how manipulative it is.

          You’re referring to Gaza which has been under blockade/siege since Israel withdrew. By framing it how you have you ignore the reality that even without a direct occupation Israel is crushing Gaza from a health perspective, a social perspective, and a financial perspective.

          Not to mention Gaza isn’t the only Palestinian territory. In the time since Israel began sieging Gaza, the West Bank has seen upwards of fifty Palestinians killed per year by Israeli settlers, all backed by IDF soldiers. This is in a territory without Hamas by the way.

          It takes some serious ignorance to act like Israel isn’t directly responsible for the abject poverty of Palestinians.

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            You’re referring to Gaza which has been under blockade/siege since Israel withdrew. By framing it how you have you ignore the reality that even without a direct occupation Israel is crushing Gaza from a health perspective, a social perspective, and a financial perspective.

            If Hamas wasn’t stealing from Gazans, and didn’t exist as a political leader solely for the purpose of denying normalization of relations and Palestinian statehood while enforcing a less secular, more extremist state, you might have a point here.

            Unfortunately for everyone, that’s why Hamas exists.

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              Why are you blaming an extremist militia for the circumstances that created them? Hamas didn’t exist before Israel started colonizing both Gaza and the West Bank. Not to mention the resources Zionists like Netanyahu funneled towards Hamas to help them get more powerful than the moderate coalition.

              If Israel didn’t have Gaza under such an inhuman blockade/siege Hamas would be just as equipped, yet average citizens wouldn’t be starving in the streets.

              To not acknowledge the direct hand Israeli military and government has had in causing this is frustratingly naive.

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                Why are you blaming an extremist militia for the circumstances that created them?

                I blame terrorists for being terrorists

                The Gazan “blockade” was also a response to literal terrorism. So is the fact that Gaza is not a country.

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                  The Gazan blockade happened after decades of literal occupation and colonization. Ironically enough Hamas was the reason Israel stopped stealing territory.

                  It wasn’t a response to terrorism. It was a continuation of their own apartheid policy under a more internationally favorable lens.

                  It sounds like you’re using the existence of terrorists to justify the conditions that empowered these terrorists. Which is asinine and circular reasoning. Why not blame the people doing everything they can to create the scenario keeping hamas in power?

                  Also, why do you think not being a sovereign state affects the fact that Israel is starving millions of people, a majority of them children?

                  It’s mind numbing the lengths people will go to downplaying the abuse of innocents and try to push all the blame onto them and the extremists that thrive in the conditions they live within. It shows a complete lack of humanity or ability to understand human nature, wrapping your judgements up in geopolitical narratives spun to keep you busy.

                  You stop an extremist group by showing those at risk that your group will give them peace and stability. Not by treating the entire region like criminals.

                  No matter what you say to obfuscate, collective punishment on this scale is unequivocally a war crime.

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                    This is not collective punishment lol.

                    Words have actual meanings