We’re not giving up our right to self-defense, and can work with David Hogg to elect progressive Democrats and make comprehensive health care, including mental, and other appropriate social programs in place to address unnecessary violence.
David Hogg idolizes Nancy Pelosi and other corporate centrists. He’s trying to elect young corporate centrists, not progressives. He’s part of the problem.
It’s not even that, he supports anti-gun candidates. That’s it. Whether they are Centrist or Progressive never enters into it. Will they work to ban guns? Great, full support from Hogg.
It HAPPENS to align with “removing useless Democrats”, but that’s not his agenda and it will end up with more Democrats losing in the general elections.
So what? We just continue as usual? I remember an article posted yesterday about unionizing that said we need activists on board, even if we find their views farther right than we prefer. I don’t find it particularly appealing, but the time for complaining and doing nothing differently.
I’ll see if I saved the link and post it if I did. I meant to, but I’m a little tired and dealing with other issues rn
Oh. Well. I couldn’t find the article I mentioned but one of the bullet points by op said “there’s no ‘too right’ when organizing.” Obviously I immediately recoiled, but I thought about it. 1. Due to over a hundred years of heavy propagandizing United States citizens against anything slightly left of center, the public will recoil more readily to anyone branded "radical leftist/communist/socialist” while embracing the most vile Nazis. We need to stamp out the labels while organizing and focus on the people and theirneeds. For instance, IRL, I’ve never spoken to a (poor) teaparty or farther right voter who disagrees that our taxes shouldn’t be used to fund roads, schools, health, rather that these things were reserved for wealthy areas while we who feed the nation languish. Framing matters.
For that reason, we’re more likely to see people willing to commit treason with gallows rather than guillotines. I’d prefer due process, but we’re frankly running out of time for organizing, let alone due process.
At some point, violence will be unavoidale. That doesn’t mean unadulterated bloodlust has to be.
We’re not giving up our right to self-defense, and can work with David Hogg to elect progressive Democrats and make comprehensive health care, including mental, and other appropriate social programs in place to address unnecessary violence.
David Hogg idolizes Nancy Pelosi and other corporate centrists. He’s trying to elect young corporate centrists, not progressives. He’s part of the problem.
It’s not even that, he supports anti-gun candidates. That’s it. Whether they are Centrist or Progressive never enters into it. Will they work to ban guns? Great, full support from Hogg.
It HAPPENS to align with “removing useless Democrats”, but that’s not his agenda and it will end up with more Democrats losing in the general elections.
Remember Beto O’Rourke:
https://www.texastribune.org/2021/11/15/texas-beto-orourke-guns-2022/
So what? We just continue as usual? I remember an article posted yesterday about unionizing that said we need activists on board, even if we find their views farther right than we prefer. I don’t find it particularly appealing, but the time for complaining and doing nothing differently.
I’ll see if I saved the link and post it if I did. I meant to, but I’m a little tired and dealing with other issues rn
That’s exactly what David Hogg is doing: Continuing as usual. He’s reinforcing the centrist problem.
David Hogg is doing the same thing we’ve done time and again, and hoping for different results this time around.
What’s your suggestion? AOC doesn’t seem corporatist.
I didn’t say AOC was part of the problem. My criticism was limited to David Hogg.
AOC isn’t the entire solution, but she’s a big part of it.
“Guillotine Party” effectively summarizes what’s needed.
Oh. Well. I couldn’t find the article I mentioned but one of the bullet points by op said “there’s no ‘too right’ when organizing.” Obviously I immediately recoiled, but I thought about it. 1. Due to over a hundred years of heavy propagandizing United States citizens against anything slightly left of center, the public will recoil more readily to anyone branded "radical leftist/communist/socialist” while embracing the most vile Nazis. We need to stamp out the labels while organizing and focus on the people and their needs. For instance, IRL, I’ve never spoken to a (poor) teaparty or farther right voter who disagrees that our taxes shouldn’t be used to fund roads, schools, health, rather that these things were reserved for wealthy areas while we who feed the nation languish. Framing matters.
For that reason, we’re more likely to see people willing to commit treason with gallows rather than guillotines. I’d prefer due process, but we’re frankly running out of time for organizing, let alone due process.
At some point, violence will be unavoidale. That doesn’t mean unadulterated bloodlust has to be.
This is a great example why progressives are fucking politically useless.