China nailed the “never interrupt your enemy while he’s in the midst of making a mistake” strategy. Trump absolutely weakened his position.
they had sun tzu, and china has always see the long picture of thier policies. despite what they say about taiwan, they at least know trying to attack taiwan would hurt them economically. china also has russia by the balls because they bought certain resource rights in siberia. USA anti-communism, chinese was the reason why CHina was able to develop the HYDROGEN bomb so quickly, basically they scared a specific nuclear scientist he fled to china and help the ccp go from fission to fusion very quickly.
They might have Sun Tzu, but he has big poo, the biggest and smelliest.
The Art of the Kneel.
Trump is the jealous ex who thought they would find someone better after breaking up with you
Trump and Jinping are playing a game of chicken and Trump has already slammed on the brakes while Jinping still has 1000m of track left in front of him.
If I were them, I wouldn’t make a deal either - Trump had to be reminded by all the big box giants just how much he needs cheap Chinese goods to keep the shelves stocked. They have all the power and hold a shit ton of US national debt so they can wait out a trade war indefinitely while Trump will use any tariff profits to bail out farmers and other industries impacted by them not being able to sell to China at a 140% markup or whatever they set their nonsensical made-up tariff rates at.
Trump will use any tariff profits to bail out farmers and other industries impacted
I remember when UK right wing lying populist Boris Johnson (who only really cares about himself) promised to bail out farmers and other industries adversely affected by his insane isolationist Brexit policy.
Here’s US right wing lying populist Donald Trump (who only really cares about himself) and you think he’s gonna bail out farmers and other industries adversely affected by his insane isolationist global trade war policy?
Why would he do that?
What have farmers got to offer Trump?
Yeah, a Trump never pays his bills, so why would he start paying other people’s bills?
Like we didn’t know that Trump wants to make a deal, lets not fool our self’s! China has the upper hand and Trump can do nothing ATM.
Why would they be?
Trump has effectively handed all of the USA’s soft power over to the EU, China & Russia, depending on the part of the planet we are discussing.
All of it.
Not really “handed” over" as much as made it disappear. It’s up to other countries to fill the vacuum.
mostly to china, as they have the most leverage right now. russia is heavily codependant on USA surprisingly.
In Trump’s words, “he doesn’t have the cards” “he has bad cards”. Which also makes it fairly clear he’s never played poker or has and is baffled by the rules.
It makes more and more sense that he failed to keep a casino afloat.
I wish I could find the youtube interview with someone who worked with him during his casino mismanagement days. The guy said that he never saw anyone know so little about what he was supposed to be running. He knew absolutely nothing about any of the games at all. Not poker, craps, roulette, or blackjack.
That reminds me of an article from back in the late 90’s or early 00’s about how much of the money he did make came from other people using him basically. They would talk him into projects and make him think it was his idea. He was such an easy mark and now we are starting to see it. Simply making fun of him will cause him to double down, major ass kissing will make him like you.
It’s like he’s NOT deal maker, but some kind of absolutely unqualified idiot!
Jesus Christ Donald Trump sucks.
It was always eventually going to come down to US vs China for economic leadership of the world. Trump ceded that fight. Or accelerated it in a way that makes real conflict a greater concern than it was before, depending on the aggression/militarism of future administrations.
Trump accelerated. Idiot
Not enough eyeliner
This has been texted to some people 🤗
My eyes…they burn
Why would China be desperate?
China offers the cheapest high spec manufacturing in the world. If the US doesn’t buy that manufacturing, that leaves the rest of the world. Of course China wants American money, but it’s not going to devastate their economy in the short term. It’s a reasonable cost for providing China with so many opportunities, which they are aggressively pursuing, to cultivate deep seated international power.
The prevalence of Chinese manufacturing actually is a national problem for the US. While China has its pick of buyers, the US is stuck with one seller. The US should have been working for twenty years with India, Pakistan, Brazil, Indonesia, Vietnam, and maybe even some counties in Africa to create access to alternatives. It didn’t.
Weaning the US off Chinese manufacturing would take decades of elegant economic policy and diplomacy featuring several countries. China knows this is where it actually has power over the US.
I have worked professionally with Chinese vendors and suppliers for years, both pre and post COVID. China offers the whole range of manufacturing, not just cheap labor but high tech and precision devices too. You want cheap injection molded toys for Happy Meals? Done. Precision machine tools for CNC? Can do. Medical imaging devices? No problem. Mass assembly of automotive cable looms? Easy. If a business wants quality product from China they can do it.
And much like the classic European model where a textile or steel industry would collect in a valley for logistic/resource reasons and organically form an industrial ‘core’ the same is true in China, but with a centralized planned economy. Vocational schools feed local industry with skilled workers like engineers or tool and die makers, so that region experiences further and further specialization and conglomeration.
There’s no coherent or comparable manufacturing:educational alliance in the US, closest we have is ‘feeder schools’ that partner with individual industrial/scientific giants on an ad-hoc basis.
China has been working with African countries for decades to build their supply lines. The US has had a blind spot over Africa the whole time
Not true, they’ve just done a better job and built infrastructure instead of corrupt power networks based on the threat of regime change
What do they got better principals than us? Wait are we the bad guys?
Also, China has a shitload of US debt that they can use as leverage
Which makes the debt ceiling fight that’s coming up even more interesting. (article from March 24th)
The U.S. is most likely to default on its $36 trillion national debt sometime between mid-July and early October if Congress doesn’t act, the Bipartisan Policy Center predicted Monday.
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Debt limit forecasters are expected to release a narrower X-date prediction after most tax receipts have landed at the IRS in April. While it’s “quite unlikely,” there is still a possibility that the U.S. could run out of borrowing power in early June if that gush of tax revenue comes in far below projections, the Bipartisan Policy Center cautioned.
The cost-cutting efforts of the Department of Government Efficiency effort headed by Elon Musk could also affect cash flow enough to change the X-date prediction, along with the strength of the economy, tariffs and any new spending or cuts Congress approves, the center said.
Given how DOGE is inflating it’s cost cutting savings by over $140 Billion, the tariff trade war, and congress’ habit of pushing things to the brink when their luck is going to run out sooner or later – this could get ugly quick.
Which is why Trump tried to declare it void, as a very stupid person.
Hey now, if there’s one thing Trump knows it’s declaring bankruptcy
I think that underestimates the extent to which the Chinese economy is vulnerable to reduced demand from foreign partners. I’m not saying China’s in a worse position than the US, since the US has a blithering imbecile traitor as President. But they’re not invulnerable to economic shocks either.
Part of my company’s plan to weather the trade war was to stock up and wait for our competition to be priced out. We also expect the factories in China that supplied our competitors will shut down too. There is a ton of spare capacity with some of them and they work on slim margins. Even a short term downturn of orders can push many to close.
They don’t tend to close, they pivot.
China will definitely suffer, but it also doesn’t care. Public opinion supporting its actions are not a priority in China. Trump is starting to feel the bite his stupidity has taken him. Not sure if he understands completely, but he’s getting an idea that he’ll wear the blame. Not from the Maga, but from everyone else.
I hope they don’t back down, even if that orange whimp ends up pulling back the tariffs. Don’t re-engage with the US until they elect a decent leader. They should really feel the impact of electing such a moron for a internationally significant role.
Yep. If America doesn’t have a severe depression &/or civil war, the mental illness of MAGA will continue destroying the country from within, and wreaking havoc with global stability.
Also, despite how much Trump wants to pretend he’s a dictator, he’s not. Both Congress and the Supreme Court have the power to stop this tariff idiocy at any point if the consequences get to be too bad. Xi is actually a dictator and the likelihood of any other power base overriding him is slim to none.
Xi isn’t a dictator and can be removed at any time. If you understand how US propaganda is working for trump, you should be able to understand how it works against china.
Xi is a de facto dictator
One whose decisions have to be approved, and can be removed by a simple majority vote at any time… If dictators were actually like that no one would have a problem with them.
It’s easy to keep a simple majority from voting you out, when anyone opposing you gets the wall for being “Not doctrinal”…
Its like saying a pastor of a church can be voted out by a simple majority of the deacons… But the pastor can off any deacon at any time, merely for being a heretic.
Except there’s no documented instances of that happening. Like yeah if you make up shit anything can or cannot happen at any time.
And no one will dare go against the party, and he is the head of the party, hence de facto dictator. A dictator in all but name
…except they do. Often. That’s how he was elected even, the party going against the president.
I know western propaganda has trillions of USD behind it, but you don’t have to pay attention.
They do often? Really? That’s why he’s been removed? Oh wait no he hasn’t. You don’t have to pay attention to Chinese propaganda either.
You’re absolutely correct on the US topic, but one comment on the Chinese side: China does suffer from an excess of export focused production. Their excess of production capacity is artificial (created by Goverent investment) and has resulted in the need for continued Government cash injections.
The Chinese government investment injection has resulted in significant leads in at least two international markets (EV, and solar panels perhaps batteries by volume.) The cost has been a parge amount for waste and loss of public money (there were a lot of of losses in their recent tech/chip investment for example.)
These losses came at a hard time when the general popilation was suffering from significant equity loss, mainly real estate. There is an argument to make that trying to spur the domestic market would be better than investing in overcapacity.
…You understand the primary market for Chinese products, especially ev and solar, is Chinese citizens, right?
Its not even close.
Hmm, Chinese are a target for EVs, but the production capacity clearly exceeds Chinese civilian purchasing power.
I am doubting myself on this after your comment. I don’t know much about the domestic purchase volume but if EVs in China.
… Yes that is how production works in a healthy economy. You have multiple companies competing for the same consumers, resulting in over production.
Cars are a luxury object that are entirely unnecessary, so they aren’t a centrally planned industry.
The extra then gets sold off. But the fact you simply cannot buy most Chinese ev brands outside of china (and some belt and road countries) kinda proves the point. Besides BYD and Rivian, you’re not finding many Chinese evs outside of china, and those are just two of the top twenty manufacturers.
You have a good point.
EVs have no central planning in China?
Nope, they’re private sector. Technically the state does produce some busses and of course electric trains; but consumer evs are entirely private sector enterprises.
These losses came at a hard time when the general popilation was suffering from significant equity loss, mainly real estate
Is this a reference to the 99 year leases people can get instead of full ownership or the citizens investment into big housing projects that some say are scams?
I am refering to the massive drop in real estate value that happen as over the last 2 years. Real estate is a primary wealth vehicle for urban Chinese.
They’ve called your bluff, buddy and now you’re going to have to take an absolute beating of a lifetime. Enjoy!
The tariffs will be something Biden put in place and Trump removed to save the economy within a week.
I will say, lots of people in my state remember the 2008 Economic Crisis as being caused by Obama.
Not him, he’ll take whatever he can get and sell it to his cultists as the world’s greatest deal.
As usual, it’s the US taking the beating …
Trump is desperate.
No quotes or further words needed.
The Art of the Deal:
- Behave recklessly and make threats to destroy the global economy
- Get pushback from allies
- Reverse course for allies, but behave even more recklessly against rival
- Rival realizes you don’t know what you’re doing
- Beg rival to engage
- Rival refuses
- Take insanely reckless actions toward rival
- Rival stands firm
- Get told by billionaires that you’re messing with their profits and, as a side note, domestic stability
- Reverse course for rivals, look incredibly weak and get exposed for not having a clue what you’re doing on the global stage
- ???
- Make America Great Again
Make America Great Depression Again
Gonna party like its 1929!
He needs a W and has pissed off anyone capable of giving him one.
He abuses people hardest to try to force them to submit. It may work with some of his business deals but in international politics with an economic superpower? What a clown.
