This is more of a question for the admins, but this can certainly be a more open discussion.
Per this thread, beehaw defederated from lemmy.world and sh.itjust.works two months ago, around the time that the reddit exodus was happening. Lemmy was blowing up, those instances had an open sign-up policy, and this meant that admins of other instances (like Beehaw) that wanted to heavily moderate their communities became quickly overwhelmed with the number of users from these two instances. Beehaw defederated to make the workload more realistic.
Two months on, I’m wondering if this defederation is still necessary. It seems to me that Lemmy overall has slowed down a lot, and maybe the flow of users from these outside servers would not be as overwhelming as it was before? I respect the decision of the admins one way or the other - I know that the lack of moderation tools was another factor in this decision. I’m just curious if this is something that has been considered recently?
Stay defederated. lemmy.world is just hot garbage imo. They were sitting there bashing beehaw and accusing beehaw of being freeloaders for defederating, hating on beehaw which they do all the time anyway, and generally are incredibly rude, transphobic, and fascist. I had an awful time on there and it was the first place I checked out coming from reddit too. Just truly a bad time overall. You’d swear some of the most toxic redditors went there. Oh and lastly, they have this thing that is super bizarre but they seem to think they are the best instance and are better than everyone else and that kind of attitude stinks and seems to greatly clash with the idea of beehaw itself.
Lemmy.world feels the most Reddit-like in my experience. Beehaw felt… different even when I was browsing it from Lemmy.ca in April and the entire Lemmyverse as a whole had maybe a couple dozen posts a day. There were real neat and in-depth discussions by people who were capable of feeling and caring, and no propaganda spam that many instances had. We had a few bumps along the way but overall I’m still very happy about how things are.
100% yes. This is a great way to describe it all. I also keep seeing people complaining about slow growth but at what cost do they want faster growth? Memes that are just disgusting? Racism? Transphobia? That’s what you get a lot of times (not always) with a fast growing community especially with the lack of mod tools from what I have understood. There’s no connecting in those spaces just a lot of fighting for no reasons and enforcement of rules is lackluster at best.
We handle our reports daily and urge our users to keep reporting anything that goes against our rules.
This and your other comments are exactly my point. I was bombarded every time I commented and the attitude over there is terrible. You people can keep ignoring this stuff all you want and excusing it away, but my experience was so bad I almost quit lemmy all together and I’m not alone. That place is toxic and the harassment is out of control. When you tolerate intolerance no matter how much you claim you don’t, things get bad really fast. Even to the point to come in here where people are just sharing their experiences to try and shove it down our throats that you aren’t what we claim, and this excuse and that excuse, and to invalidate us in a safe space proves my point. Also if you were truly accepting of Beehaw defederating why would you even come here to stir the pot so much? You wouldn’t. You’d respect it and leave us alone. It’s ridiculous. This isn’t a good look and really drives the point home on why I found another space. This just absolutely proves to me that I want nothing to do with lemmy.world ever again if I can help it. I don’t care if other people disagree with me or if they like lemmy.world, or even have a totally different experience from me, that’s fine, but I should be able to leave that place and share my experience and thoughts safely without being harassed by it further. Just totally unacceptable. I purposefully left and the fact that I have to argue my position with someone from there somewhere totally different is absolutely wild.
So incredibly childish.
I replied somewhere else in this thread but we - the admins of lemmy world - have always been supportive of the beehaw decision to wait until better tools come along for moderation. We went through a few growing pains with LW but I’m happy to see how far we have come already and we keep working to make things better. Our legal page with the rulesets is actively being maintained and defines what we stand for: https://lemmy.world/legal.
I’m on Lemmy.world every day and I’ve never seen any of that. I don’t doubt it exists, but it’s definitely not a problem on any of the communities I’m subscribed to.
This is interesting because this kept happening on lemmy.world to me too. People would deny seeing things that were easily available to find in abundance. I mean great if you’re avoiding those things but it seems like a lot of us have had the same issue. It’s extremely frustrating when people then jump on you for making things up and demanding screenshots or links because lemmy.world is so perfect and so much better than everything else and those aren’t my words.
I’m not jumping on you - I’m just pointing out lemmy.world isn’t a total write off. There are about 20k monthly active users on that instance and about 20k of those people are polite, reasonable people who post interesting content.
With any large community like that there’s always going to be some people who’re problematic, but either the moderators on lemmy.world are deleting them before I see them, or else it’s happening on communities I don’t subscribe to (probably a mix of both).
I think Beehaw should re-federate lemmy.world as soon as the moderation tools are better. In particular the cross-instance moderation issues should be sorted out. The key to a functioning fediverse is to ensure that everyone across instances can work together to tackle bad content. Many hands make light work.
I don’t really care about “growth”. Lemmy is a community not a corporation. What I care about is when someone starts an interesting discussion, are there “enough” people who take part in that discussion? I see threads on Beehaw (and even on Lemmy.World) that get zero replies. That sucks.
Sorry - I didn’t mean to imply that you were jumping on me, it was just what you said reminded me of that happening with others on lemmy.world is all.
No worries at all (PS: I just edited my comment, with a point I should have made originally).
I’m just finding the more comments there are especially again on lemmy.world, the more bad stuff there is which I suppose may vary from person to person. Not to invalidate your experience, but again it’s interesting to see even in this thread how many folks share my experience with having a very negative time on there. If the whole tone of the place is that they are the best and they purposefully also attack other instances I’m not sure many places will even want to deal with that either. No matter the case it will be interesting to see how all of this goes over time.
I would rather there be no discussion over a bunch of low quality shit posting and rage baiting tbh