Some analysts believe Kyiv is buying the west time on the precipice of a world war. Is it being used wisely?

Interesting article that talks about the similarities between now and 1938, and the sort of lessons we can learn from history.

  • Diva (she/her)@lemmy.mlEnglish
    322·
    5 months ago

    I’m not even the native english speaker here, but the line I responded with originally was:

    Russia was famously invaded multiple times by the same sorts of people they’re fighting now.

    there are French, German, UK, US and a wide array of european mercenaries there, all of those countries have had a part in invading Russia in the past, some of them multiple times.

    The the original assertion that russia has never stopped invading places - I pointed out that it’s been invaded repeatedly (US/UK/French expeditions during the civil war, Barbarossa, Napoleon to name a few) - which doesn’t really line up with that image of an unstoppable invader.

      • Diva (she/her)@lemmy.mlEnglish
        210·
        5 months ago

        The US/UK supporting the Russian Czar during the Civil War isn’t an invasion.

        Yeah just like how this is special military operation!

        • Blue_Morpho@lemmy.worldEnglish
          21·
          5 months ago

          There is no civil war in Ukraine and Putin recognizes Zelensky as the legitimate head of state. So not the same at all.

          • Diva (she/her)@lemmy.mlEnglish
            23·
            5 months ago

            But the two republics are also recognized and did ask for help as well, hence the SMO- and idk what you would consider 2014-2022 in ukraine but civil war would be a fair description in my opinion.

                • Blue_Morpho@lemmy.worldEnglish
                  1·
                  5 months ago

                  If it was a negotiated withdrawal, Russian troops would not have been killed by Ukraine. Russian troops would have left before being forced to withdraw.

                  Which is beside the point that their attempt to take Kiev makes your claim that it was defensive a lie.

                  • Diva (she/her)@lemmy.mlEnglish
                    1·
                    5 months ago

                    Which is beside the point that their attempt to take Kiev makes your claim that it was defensive a lie.

                    ???

                    How did you take that from anything I said

                • Diva (she/her)@lemmy.mlEnglish
                  1·
                  5 months ago

                  That was actually a withdrawal as a part of the negotiations Boris Johnson ultimately sabotaged. He promised unlimited support if they refused any deal by

                  I had the above post removed for ‘misinformation’: here’s a source:

                  https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2022/05/5/7344206/

                  According Ukrainska Pravda sources close to Zelenskyy, the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom Boris Johnson, who appeared in the capital almost without warning, brought two simple messages.

                  The first is that Putin is a war criminal, he should be pressured, not negotiated with.

                  And the second is that even if Ukraine is ready to sign some agreements on guarantees with Putin, they are not.

                  Johnson’s position was that the collective West, which back in February had suggested Zelenskyy should surrender and flee, now felt that Putin was not really as powerful as they had previously imagined, and that here was a chance to “press him.”

                  Three days after Johnson left for Britain, Putin went public and said talks with Ukraine “had turned into a dead end”.

                  Literally 1984 censorship if you’re pretending otherwise