The idea of communism/socialism assumes that if society produces enough food/clothing/etc. for everyone, then why not just redistribute it fairly between everyone instead of relying on money. Socialism assumes that resources can be redistributed by government policy alongside otherwise capitalist system, while communism prefers to get rid of personally-owned-capital completely.

It has it’s fair share of problems like usually not taking transportation into account or assuming that if one person needs half a pound of meat a day then another needs the same. It generally requires politicians to run the country like playing a game, game where goal is to make sure everyone has at least basic needs covered. Usually this backfires for the same reason capitalism turns into shithole - people are greedy and incompetent.

Unless I’m mistaken, socialism is a step towards communism which eventually would get rid of money?

One of the better responses to line.

This is just a lie. Capitalism will eventually run out of peoples money to steal but in a socialist society where everyone pays their fair share of taxes the money will keep coming in. Every month you get your salary, pay your taxes. Which means that every month more money flows in to the government.

Not paying enough taxes and making the rich people pay even less is not a sustainable economic system and does not add new money to the government.

We’re probably already there.

The next thing you can do is make the poor even poorer. This can be accomplished by buying up property in bulk, rent it out, drop enough in the market to drop housing prices, buy up as much as you can while it’s cheap.

Repeat this a few times.

You can do this on a bigger scale with the stock market. Just have an ipo larger than any previous one, get it into everyone’s index funds, pump the price up then rugpull. Spacex.

I always felt like that argument doesn’t survive critical thought. I think it comes down to the velocity of money. Poor people spend their social welfare dollars nearly immediately on things they need to survive, like food, housing, or medicine, returning it to the economy instantly, to be spent again. Meanwhile billionaires hoard their earnings and it does nobody any more good ever. It certainly doesn’t ‘trickle down’.

At the current rate of increase in homelessness half the country will be homeless in ten years.

The specious notion that money is in any way an intrinsically finite resource is the most damaging social construct of the modern world.

Religion is the opiate of the masses, economics is its fentanyl.

The poor eventually run out of money and pay with their labor and get nothing but sustenance. If the sustenance runs out, they eat the rich. We are a long, painful way from that in the west.

America socialism will end with blueMAGA hats instead of MAGA hats just the same because capitalism. There’s only one way to take down socialism and its not the ballot box

So if both are dysfunctional and especially leading into Oligarchies, what is the message here? Yes people are defending capitalism from socialism but why then fighting for socialism? I also know that socialism has far more potential but this doesn’t help in this circumstance…