Ukraine's military chief on Saturday warned that the battlefield situation in the country's industrial east has “significantly worsened in recent days,” as warming weather has allowed Russian forces to launch a fresh push along several stretches of the more than 1,000-km long frontline.
Can’t just hand someone an f16 and say happy hunting. Also Ukraine isn’t vetted for the technology. You act like they some trusted ally.
Yeah that was the excuse we used to not give it to them in the past. So what has changed?
Sure it takes training to use this equipment. But we did not start that training as soon as possible. We waited 1-2years and now then go “yeah actually you’re getting slammed maybe we can get you some F16s and Patriot missiles”.
In any case it’s clearly too late now. Unless we start sending massive amounts of modern weaponry to Ukraine it’s basically GG and all that we’re doing now is throwing away more forcefully conscripted Ukrainian men as cannon fodder against Russia.
OK so we went from “we did everything we could” to “yeah we didn’t but we don’t have treaties with them who cares”.
I’m just saying that maybe we shouldn’t have pretended we were going to support Ukraine till the end if we weren’t serious about it. There’s just a lot of dead Ukrainians that have been thrown into the meat grinder for nothing now.
We have supported Ukraine. You seem to take the stance we should degrade our defenses to help Ukraine. That’s what you are asking and demanding.
Our military has an obligation to protect us and our allies first.
If anything you should ge asking why Biden ramp up ammo production quicker. Ukraine has asked for a rightly needs more artillery ammo. That’s more important than the f16. Yet, we still can’t product what they need with no real timeline to ever hit it.
We also should send more himars and rockets. They are effective, they’ve been trained on them and they have had good results with them.
There isn’t a magic weapon that is going to win the war for Ukraine. They need a lot of basic weapons which we can’t produce enough of to supply them.
Yeah that was the excuse we used to not give it to them in the past. So what has changed?
Sure it takes training to use this equipment. But we did not start that training as soon as possible. We waited 1-2years and now then go “yeah actually you’re getting slammed maybe we can get you some F16s and Patriot missiles”.
In any case it’s clearly too late now. Unless we start sending massive amounts of modern weaponry to Ukraine it’s basically GG and all that we’re doing now is throwing away more forcefully conscripted Ukrainian men as cannon fodder against Russia.
We’ve been training them.
To be honest most people expected them to fall quickly. They didn’t.
That’s just the generic excuse politicians use. If we truly wanted it those weapons would be there in a heartbeat.
Just look how fast the paperwork for israel got done. Genocide Joe tapping his tiger team for that one.. Not for Ukraine as that article clearly states
We promised to “not let Ukraine fall”. Half assing it because “we thought they would have already lost” is the opposite of those words.
There are no excuses. We clearly did not do everything in our power for Ukraine which is why they are now losing.
Israel is trained on the weapons and we have treaties with Israel. We do not have treaties with Ukraine
It isn’t our job to to save Ukraine. They are not an ally. They are someone with empathize with but they are not someone we have treaties with.
OK so we went from “we did everything we could” to “yeah we didn’t but we don’t have treaties with them who cares”.
I’m just saying that maybe we shouldn’t have pretended we were going to support Ukraine till the end if we weren’t serious about it. There’s just a lot of dead Ukrainians that have been thrown into the meat grinder for nothing now.
We have supported Ukraine. You seem to take the stance we should degrade our defenses to help Ukraine. That’s what you are asking and demanding.
Our military has an obligation to protect us and our allies first.
If anything you should ge asking why Biden ramp up ammo production quicker. Ukraine has asked for a rightly needs more artillery ammo. That’s more important than the f16. Yet, we still can’t product what they need with no real timeline to ever hit it.
We also should send more himars and rockets. They are effective, they’ve been trained on them and they have had good results with them.
There isn’t a magic weapon that is going to win the war for Ukraine. They need a lot of basic weapons which we can’t produce enough of to supply them.
I am saying either we give Ukraine what it needs to actually win or don’t prolong pointless Ukrainian deaths.
As we promised to help Ukraine the first move would be the correct one. But this flip flopping only hurts them in the end.
We are giving them what they need. The problem is we ran out.