No, if you stop tipping the servers just get paid less and the owners feel nothing for not paying them a fair wage. If you really want to make a change, don’t eat out any place that makes you tip, if you have ever seen a tip jar or a tip screen, don’t go there. That is how you vote with your wallet, you don’t make the workers subsidize your food and not tip.
Don’t tip, but also don’t think your not tipping is going to change anything except that the people who work as servers who might have liked now think you are an a-hole. I am sure you don’t care about this either, also fine, you don’t have to care about any other person, place or thing, the world will go on.
And you can keep the system in place by being a part is it, and knowing your tip helped an underpaid worker for that day, while many fail to make a living wage and employers continue to profit. At least you feel better for that day.
In the USA - No, that will just make servers go hungry.
The fix is to change tax law. The reason tipping is so big a deal there is that tax law is FUCKED, servers are taxed as if they were tipped, regardless of whether or not they were. Literally no other country does this.
The fix is to raise the minimum wage. Servers are exempt from most minimum wage laws because the restaurant lobby has carved out that exemption, in the assumption that tips will make up the difference.
No one is forced to work picking fruit/mopping floors/trading their life in a mine, if the job can’t pay a living wage, don’t take it?
Can you explain what motivates people to work horrible, underpaid, poverty jobs? I’m confused because I thought people didn’t like working some jobs, were not paid enough to live working some jobs, and yet had to work them anyway or they would die. I was under the understanding that this has been going on for untold generations.
Why do they do this if they can just “don’t take” those jobs? Maybe you can fix this horrible situation we’ve all be confused about for centuries?🥰
Tipped workers represent 5 million+ workers in the US. While yes, ending tipping is important, probably better ways like raising minimum wages and getting rid of ‘tipped wages’ would work to end tipping rather than just telling 5 million people they need to find different work.
But if you talk to the majority of tipped workers, they don’t want to change the system, which is likely a far larger hurdle compared to diner preferences.
I mean, it’s not fiction if we all want things to change. I don’t think I will stop tipping those who can’t afford to not be tipped, but you do you. I’d say the better solution for someone like yourself is to stop going to those places to begin with if you are that against ‘tipping’.
No. It will happen when you stop going to restaurants that underpay their workers. Patronizing those establishments and not tipping is just punishing the worker while rewarding the business. Business owners will not change unless you hit them in the wallet.
I agree it would suck for the workers in the mean time, but I think the labour market would adapt pretty quickly if servers actually started making $3/hour. No one would want to be a server and restaurants would be forced to pay competitively if they expect to hire anyone.
I think stopping patronizing those restaurants altogether doesn’t send any clear message about why it’s happening. Maybe combined with some large-scale public campaign, but on its own it wouldn’t achieve too much.
They could skip all of the “quit en masse to force an entire industry to change” (which would never happen, by the way, as many tipped workers in the US will tell you that they want it to be like that), and just unionize instead.
Maybe then it could be done without putting millions of people out of work for an unknown period of time.
Well, they would be making the legal minimum wage in their area since their tipped wage does not meet or exceed minimum wage per hours worked. Still not a liveable wage, especially considering the amount of unclocked labor that occurs in the food service industry.
Restaurants that do not provide table service (such as fast casual chains) do not rely on tipped workers, but I am not sure those workers do any better than workers who live on tips.
Correct, and that’s the rub. Tipped workers don’t want to change the system, because by and large they are far better off with tips than simply a minimum wage (or even prevailing minimum wage for an area). So realistically the only way to end it is to get rid of tipped wages in general, raise the minimum wage, and for people to stop going to places that ask for tips to pay for their workers.
That will only happen when we stop tipping
No, if you stop tipping the servers just get paid less and the owners feel nothing for not paying them a fair wage. If you really want to make a change, don’t eat out any place that makes you tip, if you have ever seen a tip jar or a tip screen, don’t go there. That is how you vote with your wallet, you don’t make the workers subsidize your food and not tip.
I can choose to not eat somewhere and make a statement, or i can choose to eat someone and make a statement and get subsidies for doing so.
Which do you think I’ll choose?
Don’t tip, but also don’t think your not tipping is going to change anything except that the people who work as servers who might have liked now think you are an a-hole. I am sure you don’t care about this either, also fine, you don’t have to care about any other person, place or thing, the world will go on.
And you can keep the system in place by being a part is it, and knowing your tip helped an underpaid worker for that day, while many fail to make a living wage and employers continue to profit. At least you feel better for that day.
In everywhere but USA, yes.
In the USA - No, that will just make servers go hungry.
The fix is to change tax law. The reason tipping is so big a deal there is that tax law is FUCKED, servers are taxed as if they were tipped, regardless of whether or not they were. Literally no other country does this.
The fix is to raise the minimum wage. Servers are exempt from most minimum wage laws because the restaurant lobby has carved out that exemption, in the assumption that tips will make up the difference.
No one is forced to work as a server. If the job can’t pay a living wage, don’t take it.
No one is forced to work picking fruit/mopping floors/trading their life in a mine, if the job can’t pay a living wage, don’t take it?
Can you explain what motivates people to work horrible, underpaid, poverty jobs? I’m confused because I thought people didn’t like working some jobs, were not paid enough to live working some jobs, and yet had to work them anyway or they would die. I was under the understanding that this has been going on for untold generations.
Why do they do this if they can just “don’t take” those jobs? Maybe you can fix this horrible situation we’ve all be confused about for centuries?🥰
Can’t speak for the “no other country” but Canada does this.
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Servers are no longer taxed on their first $25k in tips.
That is the reason Tips won’t disappear.
If Tips were taxed like any other income then there would be less demand and more likely to be included in the wage…
It won’t make the server go hungry. It will force them to look for a different job.
So then nobody wants to serve anymore and restaurants will be forced to fix the broken system.
No tipping anywhere, especially in the US.
Yes, finding a new job is notoriously incredibly easy, and homelessness rates are going down!
Oh wait, no, the exact opposite is true.
Tipped workers represent 5 million+ workers in the US. While yes, ending tipping is important, probably better ways like raising minimum wages and getting rid of ‘tipped wages’ would work to end tipping rather than just telling 5 million people they need to find different work.
But if you talk to the majority of tipped workers, they don’t want to change the system, which is likely a far larger hurdle compared to diner preferences.
Sure, that would be better for everyone. But it is also fiction that will never come true. So … back to stop tipping for me
I mean, it’s not fiction if we all want things to change. I don’t think I will stop tipping those who can’t afford to not be tipped, but you do you. I’d say the better solution for someone like yourself is to stop going to those places to begin with if you are that against ‘tipping’.
Ah, your superior morality matters more than their livelihood, smart!
And what do they eat in the meantime?
Exposure, obviously
No. It will happen when you stop going to restaurants that underpay their workers. Patronizing those establishments and not tipping is just punishing the worker while rewarding the business. Business owners will not change unless you hit them in the wallet.
I agree it would suck for the workers in the mean time, but I think the labour market would adapt pretty quickly if servers actually started making $3/hour. No one would want to be a server and restaurants would be forced to pay competitively if they expect to hire anyone.
I think stopping patronizing those restaurants altogether doesn’t send any clear message about why it’s happening. Maybe combined with some large-scale public campaign, but on its own it wouldn’t achieve too much.
They could skip all of the “quit en masse to force an entire industry to change” (which would never happen, by the way, as many tipped workers in the US will tell you that they want it to be like that), and just unionize instead.
Maybe then it could be done without putting millions of people out of work for an unknown period of time.
Well, they would be making the legal minimum wage in their area since their tipped wage does not meet or exceed minimum wage per hours worked. Still not a liveable wage, especially considering the amount of unclocked labor that occurs in the food service industry.
Ah interesting! Yeah fair enough… either $3 or $7, it’s gonna be real tough to staff those positions.
Restaurants that do not provide table service (such as fast casual chains) do not rely on tipped workers, but I am not sure those workers do any better than workers who live on tips.
Correct, and that’s the rub. Tipped workers don’t want to change the system, because by and large they are far better off with tips than simply a minimum wage (or even prevailing minimum wage for an area). So realistically the only way to end it is to get rid of tipped wages in general, raise the minimum wage, and for people to stop going to places that ask for tips to pay for their workers.