• I_Has_A_Hat@lemmy.world
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    Other than the woman in Colorado and Mamdani, who else is there? I keep hearing about this wave of democratic socialists, but 2 people are not a trend.

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    Save the Republic from what, Mike?

    Fulfilling our moral obligations to one another as Americans? Our duty to the sick, to the elderly, to the poor, as commanded by your God? Honoring the sacrifices of our soldiers by actually living up to the Constitution?

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    They will quite literally lock up socialist political dissenters before they allow any sort of socialist foothold to take.

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      How quaint that you think they will just lock them up.

      “Ya know they murdered X and tried to blame it on Islam” “You know they went after King when he spoke out on Vietnam”

      No, actually they got rid of King after he started speaking about socialist/redistribution policies.

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    It is indeed dangerous. For people like him, who see the writing on the wall that they will face consequences.

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    I don’t ever hear why the left leaning policies are bad, just that they are & should be hated. All I see is right leaning policies result in a reduction of liberties. What liberties would I be trading for left leaning policies? Which one isn’t a nanny state that tells me what I can and can’t do in situations that do not interfere with the liberty and health of another person? I’d prefer my tax dollars go to PSAs about good responsible parenting instead of having to prove my age to join a social media site. Parental control technology already exists. Tell people to use it.

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      This • 1000.

      People gotta start getting Socratic about everything, but especially their news and politicians.

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        We’ve lost many critical thinkers in our time, with clickbait titles (many don’t really read the articles), “talking points” instead of substantive conversations, and lack of reading good literature (which I believe help to spur creative thought and can lead people to question things more often).

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        Yeah! If anyone’s thinking of answering my questions, don’t. Ask your own. Separate opinions, facts, and feelings.

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      Damn, beat me to it. Needs a shot of the bug, though. Those bugs are a great metaphor for our current ruling class.

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            Verhoeven: make these protagonists as fascist as possible. Even make them from Argentina. Make it as obvious as possible

            Average viewer: They just really wanna kill bugs, man. Is that so bad?

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                A lot of Italians and Germans went there after WW2 (to hide from their war crimes). You’ll see a lot of Italian and German last names down there.

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                  That’s a stereotype, and complete misinformation.

                  Most germans in Argentina were Volga germans, regular Germans, Jewish Germans and antinazi Germans who arrived in different waves before WW2. The nazis who fled to Argentina are estimated to be 5,000 vs 1.6 million who moved there between 1919 and 1932. Argentina was chosen so a tiny number could hide among a large preexisting population of the same ethnicity, they are not the origin of that large number.

                  It’s the same story with Italians: 2 million arrived between 1880 and 1920, before WW2. When fascism arose in Italy, immigration slowed down to a trickle. After the war only 380,000 arrived, a smaller number than the original wave and their descendants.

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    It’s okay, MAGAs. When we get free health care for ALL Americans, you’ll get it too.

    When we have free day care, you’ll get it, too.

    When we have free college or trade school, you’ll get it, too.

    No thanks necessary, not that we were expecting any. Clearly you weren’t raised properly.

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      Didn’t they rally to get rid of Obama care, then cry foul when it turned out it was the same as the ACA?

      Even if Americans achieve these things, the next Republican government would slogan them out of existence

      • 🌞 Alexander Daychilde 🌞@lemmy.world
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        Obamacare and Medicare are wildly different.

        I think what you’re surely referencing is that the so-called Obamacare was the ACA, and somehow some of the benefits of the ACA got through to their awareness - so they supported the ACA but were against Obamacare, which was… the nickname for the ACA.

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    Do bear in mind that the root of the problem in the US is our oligarchs. We must deal with them FIRST, or it doesn’t matter what else we do. That’s why half (give or take) of the Democratic party is useless - because they have been corrupted by the oligarchs as well.

    I don’t care the terms people use - we’re now calling it Democratic Socialism. Whatever we call it, we need to drive support for that until that part of the party can take over. But it will not happen if we don’t remove the corrupting pressure from the oligarchs.

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      I would argue the root of the problem is the systems and institutions that enable these oligarchs to exist in the first place and give them the perceived social authority over this country.

      The French Revolution didn’t start after they removed the nobility, it started when the people began to unite and build alternatives to the systems they were living under which helped to establish mutual aid and other community networks of support that allowed them to eventually abandon their reliance on the systems of their oppressors.

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        My only counter is that the tools were put in place by the people with the money. So I have no disagreement with you - I see that distinction as unimportant because I believe we must deal with the rich and their tools already, so… I agree with you :)

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      Technically oligarchy means rule by the few, but I think it helps to specify how they became the “few”: divine title, descendance, or money? It’s money so they should be called plutocrats.

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        Part of the benefit of “oligarch” is to point out how common this problem really is, just with different flavors. After this batch is gone, we’ll need to remain vigilant against future oligarchs from any source.

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          Yes, for about a generation, then it becomes a boring footnote in high school history class… and human nature re-asserts itself.

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            Human nature is where material conditions and social values intersect. A society that places mutual responsibility and collective wellbeing over wealth and status would likely regard greed, domination, and hedonism as character flaws rather than virtues. Those who exploit others for personal gain would be held with the same contempt as other kinds of antisocial behavior. In short, self-serving opportunists would be seen as criminals rather than as being especially clever or successful. The traits a culture rewards are the traits it reproduces.

            The common belief that human beings are naturally selfish and chaotic says more about our own values than it does about human psychology. In reality, the overwhelming majority of people are deeply prosocial; we seek belonging, reciprocity, and meaningful community. As the world becomes increasingly interconnected, we have an opportunity to outgrow the tribalism and rigid hierarchies that has characterized our species’ infancy, and foster cultures that reward cooperation instead of competition as the highest expression of human nature.

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            If we keep trying the same thing and keep failing in the same way, then it’s not bad evil humans having a terrible nature, it’s that the thing we keep trying is a poor design given human nature.