The democratic socialist Melat Kiros unseated the long-serving US representative Diana DeGette in Colorado’s primary elections held on Tuesday, the latest in a string of high-profile victories for the party’s insurgent left.
The Associated Press reported that Kiros had defeated DeGette for the Democratic nomination in the deep-blue first congressional district centered on Denver. Kiros’s triumph came a week after New York voters unseated two Democratic congressional incumbents and replaced a third who was retiring with candidates who had campaigned on standing up to Israel amid accusations that it was carrying out a genocide in Gaza.



Sheer projection on your part.
In other words, “Sure, if you wanna bring logic and facts into it but hey let me deflect little harder this time!”
You’re blabbering yourself into one of the most confuddled stances of cognitive dissonance mine eyes hath ever beheld.
I went into more detail than you did. Detail which you refuse to engage with and instead continue to try to gloss over.
Yes, we’re talking about whether or not they’re “billionaire news” as you accused them, and for a supposedly billionaire news company, $400M is peanuts.
Bringing the revenue of a lemmy instance into it to compare to a major worldwide media outlet is disingenuous at best.
Also, the whole point of acquiring their revenue from reader donations, as I stated originally, is so that they’re not beholden to large corporate and billionaire donors. And now that you’ve driveled your way in a circle of tangents, we arrive back where we started.
“Don’t get hung up on the shit that I actually said when you point out that it was stupid. I didn’t bother engaging with any of the reasonable points you made, instead dismissing them sarcastically as ‘exciting counterarguments,’ and I accused you of not reading my arguments, but don’t bother engaging with the things that I actually said cause I’ll just call those “reference points” when you point out how far they fall short as arguments.”
If you’re not a troll, you must have some serious brain damage to think this is what a reasonable person sounds like. It’s okay to admit that you were wrong, you’ll stop embarrassing yourself much sooner that way.
I kind of thought in the last few days that we’re now going to start to see international western media starting to
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actually have sympathy for Russia and put out pieces saying, you know what, these strikes on Russia, you know, they’re causing a humanitarian crisis.
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This is going to be a problem. Maybe Ukraine should slow down a bit. And I thought that might be a few weeks away, but I um always overestimate the media’s
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ability for nonsense. The Guardian published one 24 hours ago already. I don’t know if you saw it saying that the strikes on Moscow were were unjustified
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and it’s too much. It’s like you couldn’t just like give Ukraine more than two seconds before apologizing for
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Russia. I mean like really just two seconds.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/jun/25/morale-bombing-moscow-is-not-justified
https://inv.nadeko.net/watch?v=5tuvNo-oAoA
Troll, screw thyself.
Morale bombing is never militarily justified because there are now decades of evidence that it never fucking works. It’s a waste of ammunition, a waste of lives, a waste of humanitarian goodwill, tactically meaningless and strategically counterproductive because it will just galvanise resistance.
Now, economic bombing, that is reasonable. Hit the machines that pay for Russia’s war. Bleed the oligarchs dry. But there is no value in hitting civilians. They’re not the primary target anyway.
Also, there is this post as well:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/jun/28/ukraines-targets-in-russia-are-fully-justified.
Oh look, three other people submitted opposite opinions in the same letters section? Let’s have look:
So printing a pro-russian piece is just good balance right?
It’s not a pro-russian piece.
Throughout every paragraph, the author makes sideways jabs at Russia intended to make clear that it’s a war that they started, and that Ukraine is defending itself.
Their only point, which is the point that you’re contending with, is that Ukraine should still maintain the moral high ground by minimizing civilian casualties.
Literally, from the article you cited:
That doesn’t sound pro-russian…
And yet. What does the letter call out? Russian attacks on civilians? (Don’t you dare say yes because it’s obliquely referenced. That is not how it works.)
Russia isn’t spending hundreds of millions of dollars every single year to bring reasoned debate into the world. They’re doing it to accomplish what Cambridge Analytica proved without a doubt: convince 50.1% of the voters that something outrageous “sounds” true and nothing else matters.
You can continue to throw the third largest military (by budget) against the 43rd largest (in 2021, before the genocide started) and professors in Southampton can express qualms over the danger of unintentional casualties in the aggressor nation. Sure! RUN THAT BABY. We need to publish more garbage that keeps this thing going.
Yeah… as I’ve already pointed out, yes, they do call that out. And you trying to preempt me by calling that “oblique” doesn’t change that.
Literally the whole argument is “Ukraine shouldn’t tarnish its moral high ground in its defensive retaliations by indiscriminately targeting civilians they way russia does to them in the war that russia started.”
His word choice may have been hamfisted in places, but that is not what russian propaganda sounds like.
And they’re not doing that to post opinion pieces in The Guardian, either. They’re funding troll farms where people make disingenuous arguments like what you’re doing. Literally the shit you’re saying is exactly how that stuff sounds.
Sometimes it’s even so convoluted that I wouldn’t be surprised if you’re claiming “Minimize civilian casualties” is a pro-russian statement, specifically to shame Ukraine-supporters into saying “Nah, fuck those civilians” just so that russia has something to point to and say “See, I told you they’re evil aggressors!” and tarnish that moral high ground that the author discussed.
I certainly don’t think the kremlin would give a fuck if their disinfo gets more russian civilians killed, if they think it will gain them more leverage over negotiations or worldwide public opinion.
At best - okay, granting a ludicrous amount of good intent - at best that’s a delusional position from someone who hasn’t been near weapons fire in decades if ever. What does our illustrious professor think WAR is? Huuh! Good gawd, y’all.
I never said I agree with his position in its entirety. I even called it hamfisted in places. I think the three opposing opinions in the other piece I linked were much better.
But that doesn’t change the fact that the original was not a pro-russian piece, and the guardian is not a pro-russian outlet; nor a billionaire-sponsored media outlet, to bring this discussion back to where it started before you led us down this trail of red herrings.
Oh, what’s that? An opinion piece in their “Letters” section where non-journalists can submit their letters of opinion? Perhaps there’s more nuance to it than you’re making it out to have. Let’s see what it says:
Now, I have zero sympathy for Russia. But that opinion piece sounds more like it’s urging restraint with regard to operations that have the potential to inflict civilian casualties. On the surface at least, that seems like a fairly reasonable point to make.
It doesn’t come off as “sympathy for russia,” nor as insinuating that the Ukrainian operations are “causing a humanitarian crisis.”
Did you know when a corporate news outlet prints something it gets amplified across the world?
Do you think the Guardian editors know that? Do you think they like making $800,0000 dollars a year? Would such a thing induce them to take suggestions from their bosses?
No? Just pure journalistic integrity, eh. *snif* That’s beautiful, man.
It was an opinion piece submitted by a reader. And as I’ve already pointed out, they also published opposing opinions.
Not to mention, the original opinion in question was not even pro-russian as you seem to be trying to insinuate.
Is it pro-hamas to say Israel should have avoided killing Palestinian civilians when they retaliated for October 7th? Is it pro-zionist to say Palestinian groups should have avoided killing israeli civilians when they retaliated for Israel’s aggressive settler-colonialism and ethnic cleansings?
You’ve hit upon and described exactly how influence operations work. Well done. Remember when the russians intentionally leveled a building full of children that had “Children” written in big letters on the front lawn because we naïvely thought russians wouldn’t slaughter children for fun? There was no strategic benefit, they just wanted to slaughter children.
Fortunately, the wise and leftist-supporting editors at The Guardian reminded everyone of that when publishing this pro-russian screed. Oh wait, they didn’t? Well look at that. Maybe they really are leftist-supporting then.
That’s a red herring. I never detracted from the atrocities russia has committed, and neither did the author of that opinion piece. They squarely blamed russia for indiscriminate killings of civilians in Ukraine.
Literally all he said is that Ukraine should be careful to minimize civilian casualties in their retaliatory efforts. He didn’t say they shouldn’t retaliate. He didn’t say “oh but it’s fine when russia does it.”
Your entire argument is based on a mischaracterization and a strawman.
It’s in the fucking article, you dunce. Apparently you didn’t read it.
Russia is not leftist.
Au contraire. That’s the whole of the piece. Protect russia from what it’s been doing to others for longer than WWII.
They have done nothing but that. To even suggest they haven’t is outrageous bullshit. And the news corp The Guardian knows this very well.
Of course not. That would give the game away. Hell, MAGA-level intellects would start to suspect it was a pro-russia piece if he did that.
I will give you $5 (five) American dollars for you to make a post on some popular lemmy.ml comm and say that. They’re up in politics and politicalmemes and news and a bunch of other comms with that as a given in their own minds every day. It’s a constant. Fuck, go define a liberal position to them on here and watch them turn inside out with self-righteous rage.
The russia supporters on .ml and our venerable Southampton professor have something in common. And The Guardian is helping them spread it around. In large part because they are a corporate entity. Which was my point all along. ProPublica’s not publishing that garbage, and why not? Because they don’t have to.
Fuck tankies, half of them are paid russian trolls and bot accounts posing as leftists. That doesn’t make russia a leftist country. Most actual leftists hate tankies, and it’s quite fun to shit on them whenever they venture into leftist spaces that aren’t protected by their tankie bubble.
The southampton professor was not making a tankie argument though, and if you can’t see the difference, I can’t help you.
As for the rest, I’ve already addressed it, and I feel no need to continue beating a dead horse.
I disagree, but that’s ok, I can see how one might consider his position to be simply humanistic or simply anti-war.
That’s why it’s important to note the professor’s argument isn’t the only element in the article. The fact that The Guardian published it, how, and when they did, are all equal if not more significant elements. All of them combined make it a pro-russian article which is exactly why it was correctly called out by the first people I quoted linking to it.
All the “red herrings” and “strawmen” you see are part-and-parcel of propaganda as it is performed today. Plausible deniability is how the three-letter-agencies used to say it.