The blockade that put Gaza in this state started 3 months before Hamas was elected. From that point there’s not much a local government can do. Gaza simply doesn’t have the land or resources to live independent of the rest of the world.
Gaza doesn’t have the resources? Throughout last 18 years, billions were put into Gaza and Israel even allowed it. Shared net worth of Hamas leaders is around 11 billion. They have the resources, they just use it for building bombs and tunnels. They could have built second Dubai with that money…
The security measures by Israel are actually fully valid. Imagine your neighbor builds bombs they plan to shoot at you. Would you just chill and allow items from which your neighbor can build bombs go in?
Gaza doesn’t have the resources? Throughout last 18 years, billions were put into Gaza and Israel even allowed it. Shared net worth of Hamas leaders is around 11 billion.
Do you understand the meaning of a blockade? Money is meaningless if you can’t use it to buy things.
The security measures by Israel are actually fully valid.
Israel is explicitly and intentionally keeping the Gazan economy on the brink of collapse, by their own words. This is a humanitarian disaster before you even get into the specifics of how they’ve rejected peace over the years.
This theory falls apart immediately when you realize the money is being spent in Gaza on tunnels and on bombs. If truly everything was blocked as you say, they wouldn’t have the tunnels and the bombs.
Not everything is blocked. But enough is blocked that people simply can’t have a decent life. This is also part of why they have the tunnels; there’s simply no way to live with what little Israel allows (remember when they calculated the calories necessary so Gazans don’t starve to death, and found they’re letting in less than that?). It simply happens to be that bombs can still be made using things they do allow.
Again, Israel has specifically stated they’re intentionally keeping the Gazan economy on the brink of collapse.
That doesn’t make sense. Once they have enough money to build bombs and vast networks of underground tunnels, it’s definitely Hamas’s decision. Instead of building shelters and farms they decided to use the money for tunnels and bombs.
If I have 100k dollars and decide to buy a luxury SUV and then I starve, it’s not a fault of my neighbor that I did so.
Furthermore, Izrael does not even have a full control of Gaza. They left the place in 2005 and Gaza has a border with Egypt. So even if Israel decided that nothing can get to gaza, stuff can arrive in via Egypt and Israel would not be able to do anything.
I can only assume you’re being willfully obtuse, so I’ll end the conversation with this.
The Israeli blockade limits quantities of things allowed to enter Gaza, but it also limits the kinds of things allowed to enter Gaza? No matter how much money you have Israel won’t allow you to get a car into Gaza, for instance.
If it was just a problem of money Gaza wouldn’t be in this state, because Gaza isn’t naturally one of the most impoverished regions in the world. They had an actual economy before 2005 when Israel just cut off all their exports. Stop treating the Israeli blockade as a natural disaster.
The siege has led to shortages of basic items such as food and fuel. It has also stymied Gaza’s potential for long-term economic development. Chronic problems, such as access to education, healthcare and clean water, have become more pronounced.
Since the beginning of the siege, Israel has launched four protracted military assaults on Gaza: in 2008, 2012, 2014 and 2021. Each of these attacks has exacerbated Gaza’s already dire situation. Thousands of Palestinians have been killed, including many children, and tens of thousands of homes, schools and office buildings have been destroyed.
Rebuilding has been next to impossible because the siege prevents construction materials, such as steel and cement, from reaching Gaza.
Over the years, Israeli missile attacks and ground incursions have also damaged Gaza’s pipelines and sewage treatment infrastructure. As a result, sewage often seeps into drinking water, which has resulted in a sharp increase in waterborne disease.
More than 95 percent of Gaza’s water has been rendered unsafe for drinking, according to the UN.
Plans to improve Gaza’s water quality have been thwarted by the ongoing power crisis. Water projects are among the largest consumers of electricity. Without enough power to maintain existing water and sanitation systems, it is impossible to build new ones.
Many homes in Gaza rely on electric pumps to push water to the top of the building. No electricity for them means no water.
First of all, AlJazeera is one of the worst sources, you can list. They usually just share only one side of the story. In addition, they even failed to call Hamas a terrorist organisation, so they are pretty much irrelevant. In the times of war, both sides are trying to share only those pieces of information which suit their goal. So generally try to avoid getting information from one-sided sources such as AlJazeera, IDF, Daily Wire, etc.
Second of all, all those 4 escalations you stated were started by Hamas. You know, history repeats itself and in this conflict it is especially true. Pretty much all escalations have the same pattern: Palestine (in our case Hamas) (in the past also all Arab countries) attack Israel, Israel usually responds with very disproportionate force and then Palestine cries that Israel is bad to them. Then we have peace for some time and again.
Let’s now focus onto Gaza:
Of course that Israel’s responses badly damage Gaza but at the same time Hamas does not care. Instead of building something for civilians, they just care about underground tunnels and bombs, so they can launch another attack in 2-3 years. Then Israel responds and we have another catastrophe. Hamas has money for building bombs and underground networks but suddenly, when they should use money for something useful, they have no money at all.
Issues with drinking water and electricity are absolutely logical because Gaza relies on Israel (with which they are in war btw) in terms of these supplies. I think I do not have to explain why this is a terrible idea. For example, instead of building bombs and underground tunnels, Hamas can put money into research, so they can have desalination plants just like Israel has.
But yes, for civilians who have nothing to do with the leadership of any of the 2 countries, it is terrible there and I truly regret everyone who has to exist there. However, the solution is not as easy because none of the 2 sides will stop bombing each other.
First of all, AlJazeera is one of the worst sources, you can list. They usually just share only one side of the story. In addition, they even failed to call Hamas a terrorist organisation, so they are pretty much irrelevant. In the times of war, both sides are trying to share only those pieces of information which suit their goal. So generally try to avoid getting information from one-sided sources such as AlJazeera, IDF, Daily Wire, etc.
Second of all, all those 4 escalations you stated were started by Hamas. You know, history repeats itself and in this conflict it is especially true. Pretty much all escalations have the same pattern: Palestine (in our case Hamas) (in the past also all Arab countries) attack Israel, Israel usually responds with very disproportionate force and then Palestine cries that Israel is bad to them. Then we have peace for some time and again.
Let’s now focus onto Gaza:
Of course that Israel’s responses badly damage Gaza but at the same time Hamas does not care. Instead of building something for civilians, they just care about underground tunnels and bombs, so they can launch another attack in 2-3 years. Then Israel responds and we have another catastrophe. Hamas has money for building bombs and underground networks but suddenly, when they should use money for something useful, they have no money at all.
Issues with drinking water and electricity are absolutely logical because Gaza relies on Israel (with which they are in war btw) in terms of these supplies. I think I do not have to explain why this is a terrible idea. For example, instead of building bombs and underground tunnels, Hamas can put money into research, so they can have desalination plants just like Israel has.
But yes, for civilians who have nothing to do with the leadership of any of the 2 countries, it is terrible there and I truly regret everyone who has to exist there. However, the solution is not as easy because none of the 2 sides will stop bombing each other.
Why would I blame Hamas for something that happened 3 months before they were even elected?
What are you referring to?
The blockade that put Gaza in this state started 3 months before Hamas was elected. From that point there’s not much a local government can do. Gaza simply doesn’t have the land or resources to live independent of the rest of the world.
Gaza doesn’t have the resources? Throughout last 18 years, billions were put into Gaza and Israel even allowed it. Shared net worth of Hamas leaders is around 11 billion. They have the resources, they just use it for building bombs and tunnels. They could have built second Dubai with that money…
The security measures by Israel are actually fully valid. Imagine your neighbor builds bombs they plan to shoot at you. Would you just chill and allow items from which your neighbor can build bombs go in?
Do you understand the meaning of a blockade? Money is meaningless if you can’t use it to buy things.
Israel is explicitly and intentionally keeping the Gazan economy on the brink of collapse, by their own words. This is a humanitarian disaster before you even get into the specifics of how they’ve rejected peace over the years.
This theory falls apart immediately when you realize the money is being spent in Gaza on tunnels and on bombs. If truly everything was blocked as you say, they wouldn’t have the tunnels and the bombs.
Not everything is blocked. But enough is blocked that people simply can’t have a decent life. This is also part of why they have the tunnels; there’s simply no way to live with what little Israel allows (remember when they calculated the calories necessary so Gazans don’t starve to death, and found they’re letting in less than that?). It simply happens to be that bombs can still be made using things they do allow.
Again, Israel has specifically stated they’re intentionally keeping the Gazan economy on the brink of collapse.
That doesn’t make sense. Once they have enough money to build bombs and vast networks of underground tunnels, it’s definitely Hamas’s decision. Instead of building shelters and farms they decided to use the money for tunnels and bombs. If I have 100k dollars and decide to buy a luxury SUV and then I starve, it’s not a fault of my neighbor that I did so.
Furthermore, Izrael does not even have a full control of Gaza. They left the place in 2005 and Gaza has a border with Egypt. So even if Israel decided that nothing can get to gaza, stuff can arrive in via Egypt and Israel would not be able to do anything.
I can only assume you’re being willfully obtuse, so I’ll end the conversation with this.
The Israeli blockade limits quantities of things allowed to enter Gaza, but it also limits the kinds of things allowed to enter Gaza? No matter how much money you have Israel won’t allow you to get a car into Gaza, for instance.
If it was just a problem of money Gaza wouldn’t be in this state, because Gaza isn’t naturally one of the most impoverished regions in the world. They had an actual economy before 2005 when Israel just cut off all their exports. Stop treating the Israeli blockade as a natural disaster.
The siege has led to shortages of basic items such as food and fuel. It has also stymied Gaza’s potential for long-term economic development. Chronic problems, such as access to education, healthcare and clean water, have become more pronounced.
Since the beginning of the siege, Israel has launched four protracted military assaults on Gaza: in 2008, 2012, 2014 and 2021. Each of these attacks has exacerbated Gaza’s already dire situation. Thousands of Palestinians have been killed, including many children, and tens of thousands of homes, schools and office buildings have been destroyed.
Rebuilding has been next to impossible because the siege prevents construction materials, such as steel and cement, from reaching Gaza.
Over the years, Israeli missile attacks and ground incursions have also damaged Gaza’s pipelines and sewage treatment infrastructure. As a result, sewage often seeps into drinking water, which has resulted in a sharp increase in waterborne disease.
More than 95 percent of Gaza’s water has been rendered unsafe for drinking, according to the UN.
Plans to improve Gaza’s water quality have been thwarted by the ongoing power crisis. Water projects are among the largest consumers of electricity. Without enough power to maintain existing water and sanitation systems, it is impossible to build new ones.
Many homes in Gaza rely on electric pumps to push water to the top of the building. No electricity for them means no water.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/3/14/a-guide-to-the-gaza-strip
That was all before Oct 7th
First of all, AlJazeera is one of the worst sources, you can list. They usually just share only one side of the story. In addition, they even failed to call Hamas a terrorist organisation, so they are pretty much irrelevant. In the times of war, both sides are trying to share only those pieces of information which suit their goal. So generally try to avoid getting information from one-sided sources such as AlJazeera, IDF, Daily Wire, etc.
Second of all, all those 4 escalations you stated were started by Hamas. You know, history repeats itself and in this conflict it is especially true. Pretty much all escalations have the same pattern: Palestine (in our case Hamas) (in the past also all Arab countries) attack Israel, Israel usually responds with very disproportionate force and then Palestine cries that Israel is bad to them. Then we have peace for some time and again.
Let’s now focus onto Gaza: Of course that Israel’s responses badly damage Gaza but at the same time Hamas does not care. Instead of building something for civilians, they just care about underground tunnels and bombs, so they can launch another attack in 2-3 years. Then Israel responds and we have another catastrophe. Hamas has money for building bombs and underground networks but suddenly, when they should use money for something useful, they have no money at all.
Issues with drinking water and electricity are absolutely logical because Gaza relies on Israel (with which they are in war btw) in terms of these supplies. I think I do not have to explain why this is a terrible idea. For example, instead of building bombs and underground tunnels, Hamas can put money into research, so they can have desalination plants just like Israel has.
But yes, for civilians who have nothing to do with the leadership of any of the 2 countries, it is terrible there and I truly regret everyone who has to exist there. However, the solution is not as easy because none of the 2 sides will stop bombing each other.
First of all, AlJazeera is one of the worst sources, you can list. They usually just share only one side of the story. In addition, they even failed to call Hamas a terrorist organisation, so they are pretty much irrelevant. In the times of war, both sides are trying to share only those pieces of information which suit their goal. So generally try to avoid getting information from one-sided sources such as AlJazeera, IDF, Daily Wire, etc.
Second of all, all those 4 escalations you stated were started by Hamas. You know, history repeats itself and in this conflict it is especially true. Pretty much all escalations have the same pattern: Palestine (in our case Hamas) (in the past also all Arab countries) attack Israel, Israel usually responds with very disproportionate force and then Palestine cries that Israel is bad to them. Then we have peace for some time and again.
Let’s now focus onto Gaza: Of course that Israel’s responses badly damage Gaza but at the same time Hamas does not care. Instead of building something for civilians, they just care about underground tunnels and bombs, so they can launch another attack in 2-3 years. Then Israel responds and we have another catastrophe. Hamas has money for building bombs and underground networks but suddenly, when they should use money for something useful, they have no money at all.
Issues with drinking water and electricity are absolutely logical because Gaza relies on Israel (with which they are in war btw) in terms of these supplies. I think I do not have to explain why this is a terrible idea. For example, instead of building bombs and underground tunnels, Hamas can put money into research, so they can have desalination plants just like Israel has.
But yes, for civilians who have nothing to do with the leadership of any of the 2 countries, it is terrible there and I truly regret everyone who has to exist there. However, the solution is not as easy because none of the 2 sides will stop bombing each other.