• magic_lobster_party@kbin.social
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    11 months ago

    TIL China is not communist.

    China is communism. It might not live up to the all the rainbow unicorn fantasy dreams of a system where workers owns the means of the production and all the yada yada, but it’s communism.

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      11 months ago

      Look, this thing might not be literally the one definition what I’m saying it is has, but it is what I say it is anyway because I say so.

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          11 months ago

          Here’s a full list of all “communist governments” that weren’t misusing the term “communist” from the start:

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          11 months ago

          Name a communist government

          The Cree did pretty well prior to European intervention

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          11 months ago

          list all communist governments

          You might as well list all spheres with edges, languages without grammar and all people arguing on random articles about communism that know the definition of communism.

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          Communism is a system where the means of production are owned by the state. And is the exact opposite of capitalism. China is not communist.

          Communism isn’t a synonym for a bad government.

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            Owned by the people not the state

            Communism doesn’t really have government because that would put people above others

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              That’s an over-simplification. Marx’s stateless society was a prediction of the natural outcome of a post-capitalist world and is probably the most utopian aspiration of the philosophy.

              Communism does not mean “no government”. You need a government. Or rather, whatever system of decision-making and distribution emerges is the government. Any form of cooperation and collective agreement is government. Don’t tell the anarchists, they won’t get it.

              It doesn’t have to be heirarchal in the same way but ultimately if you live in a society then at some point someone is going to tell you what to do.

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                11 months ago

                You have people with expertise come up and say x would be best

                But no one is bound to it

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                  11 months ago

                  And then three people say to the fourth, “stop driving your car through this garden” and there aren’t laws or courts to handle the dispute so instead they use violence or intimidation.

                  People cannot self-police on a societal scale.

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                    The state can’t police on a societal scale either because it will be more concerned with protecting itself than it’s people

                    It’s why we call it late-stage capitalism instead of capitalism

                    It’s why the flaws of late stage are the same flaws that it tried to fix in the Mercantilist systems

                    It’s the same flaws Moses tried to ban

                    It’s not a feature of Communism and your argument that it has to be because people can never tried Communism doesn’t work. It just means that communism doesn’t work because people can never implement it

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            11 months ago

            No.

            That’s closer to socialism.

            Communism is a stateless, hierarchy-less system where the people are in charge.

            The state owning anything or existing is antithetical to communism.

            China is without a doubt not communist, it’s purely capitalist with a strong dose of authoritarianism on top.