• chuckleslord@lemmy.world
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    20 days ago

    Stop using Trump’s bad actions as permission for less bad actions. Trump is fully crap, but neoliberalism isn’t going to fix the problems he’s making. If you can’t admit that, then we can’t get any better than whatever the last worst thing was

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      20 days ago

      You have a system in place that needs changed from the inside. Sitting outside of the system, and pouting that everyone isn’t given a unicorn and a free E-bike isn’t going to change anything.

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        Surprisingly enough, I vote in every primary and general election. Just because I don’t agree with your “but our guy is better” thinking doesn’t mean I opt out. You just need to hold yourself to a higher standard than you currently do. And stop thinking of politics as a team sport. Everyone in the ruling class needs to be held to a high standard, not just the guys wearing the opposite team colors.

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          Good! You should vote in every election you can. Elections are games-theory in practice. You vote for the person doing the least amount of harm.

          I don’t think of politics as a team sport I think of politics as an act of pragmatism. You pick the people that will do the least amount of harm to the least amount of people.

          That’s always team Blue. So make of that what you will.

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      Nobody is using Trump as permission. What’s up with the whataboutism? We live in a complicated world, of which your ‘isms do not fully encapsulate. If you can’t admit that Obama was better than Trump, you live in a shallow world my friend.

      There is a continuous spectrum of wrongfulness. Trump is absolutely, undeniably, much further down that spectrum than any other President. You often hear one of the few accomplishments Trump produced is that nobody says Nixon was the worst anymore. Well… is your argument seriously that there is no difference between Trump and Obama? Why, because of some prejudice against Neoliberalism? Get outta here.

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        Obama was better than Trump. No fucking shit. Congrats? That doesn’t mean that Obama doesn’t deserve criticism, or even deserve criticism at the same time we’re talking about Trump.

        Saying “you can’t compare Trump to Obama”, however, is shielding Obama from criticism because of Trump’s actions. There are degrees, no fucking shit, but they both belong in the Hague for war crimes. Pretending otherwise is part of the problem.

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          Saying “you can’t compare Trump to Obama”, however, bla bla bla

          Funny, nobody said that in this thread. Of course you can compare Obama to Trump, and I think all participants here did that. If you’re refering to my top level comment, I deliberately phrased it the way I did. Reading comprehension?