Putting Obama and Biden on the same level as Trump and Musk wrt oligarchy is not OK.
I mean, Obama did just finish constructing a $850 million memorial temple to himself.
Stop putting Obama on a pedestal. He was a corrupt mf himself, and bombed countries too.
Stop trying to compare someone who had 1-2 questionable actions to someone who has historically been one of the singular worst people to exist in history.
Your need to somehow appear ‘better’ than others by criticizing both sides of something just make you look like a pseudointellectual trying to sound smart.
Don’t forget the tan suit AND Dijongate. That’s already 2!
Or saluting. With a cup! Or that ‘terrorist fist jab’ of his.
The scandals I swear!
Stop using Trump’s bad actions as permission for less bad actions. Trump is fully crap, but neoliberalism isn’t going to fix the problems he’s making. If you can’t admit that, then we can’t get any better than whatever the last worst thing was
You have a system in place that needs changed from the inside. Sitting outside of the system, and pouting that everyone isn’t given a unicorn and a free E-bike isn’t going to change anything.
Surprisingly enough, I vote in every primary and general election. Just because I don’t agree with your “but our guy is better” thinking doesn’t mean I opt out. You just need to hold yourself to a higher standard than you currently do. And stop thinking of politics as a team sport. Everyone in the ruling class needs to be held to a high standard, not just the guys wearing the opposite team colors.
Good! You should vote in every election you can. Elections are games-theory in practice. You vote for the person doing the least amount of harm.
I don’t think of politics as a team sport I think of politics as an act of pragmatism. You pick the people that will do the least amount of harm to the least amount of people.
That’s always team Blue. So make of that what you will.
Nobody is using Trump as permission. What’s up with the whataboutism? We live in a complicated world, of which your ‘isms do not fully encapsulate. If you can’t admit that Obama was better than Trump, you live in a shallow world my friend.
There is a continuous spectrum of wrongfulness. Trump is absolutely, undeniably, much further down that spectrum than any other President. You often hear one of the few accomplishments Trump produced is that nobody says Nixon was the worst anymore. Well… is your argument seriously that there is no difference between Trump and Obama? Why, because of some prejudice against Neoliberalism? Get outta here.
Obama was better than Trump. No fucking shit. Congrats? That doesn’t mean that Obama doesn’t deserve criticism, or even deserve criticism at the same time we’re talking about Trump.
Saying “you can’t compare Trump to Obama”, however, is shielding Obama from criticism because of Trump’s actions. There are degrees, no fucking shit, but they both belong in the Hague for war crimes. Pretending otherwise is part of the problem.
Saying “you can’t compare Trump to Obama”, however, bla bla bla
Funny, nobody said that in this thread. Of course you can compare Obama to Trump, and I think all participants here did that. If you’re refering to my top level comment, I deliberately phrased it the way I did. Reading comprehension?
You saying “1 or 2” shows me how much you know about Obama’s atrocities.
The latter is just an ad hominem that is both inaccurate and irrelevant.
This is like arguing Messolini wasn’t bad because Hitler was actually the worse one.
Comparing Obama’s actions to Mussolini just shows you have a chronic lack of education in world history.
Not what they were comparing. Saying the relationship between x and y is like the relationship between m and n, doesn’t mean that were comparing x to m.
Reading comprehension is important. I will allow that the comparison was made to shock, but that doesn’t mean you can miscategorize what they said
You’re not ‘allowing’ me anything. Obama is listed as one of the better presidents the US has had. Comparing him in any way to a tinpot dictator is fucking laughable.
1-2? Like choosing to destroy the wealth of millions of homeowners while bailing out the banks, and deporting millions of hardworking people?
You mean the bailout dubya signed before Obama was even elected? That bailout?
Funny how people blame Obama for the shit Republicans do, right?
Yeah, he just bailed out the auto industry instead. Totally different and definitely not just cronyism pretending to be Keynesian economics, just like bailing out the banks. Wonder why people keep confusing those two things?
You mean the loans the government gave the auto industry that they had to repay? The loans that kept about a million people from losing their jobs?
Sure dude. They’re exactly the same. 🙄
Don’t forget record drone strikes (at the time) including a wedding
Yeah man, using the best tech at the time to limit collateral damage to a minimum is totally a net negative. Lets just bomb places like we used to, that’s a much better option right?
I have a better solution. Don’t do both of those things. If you think it’s justified for some greater good, you’re falling for the propaganda.
Yeah sure knowing the dudes killing US soldiers, then eliminating them in the best way possible at the time is totally a bad thing.
Including on American citizens
