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I’m not sure exactly what a liberal is, but nobody seems to like them.
Way too much jargon in the political comms, I feel.
Pretty sure liberalism no longer has anything to do with whatever it used to mean and has just become shorthand for neoliberalism. Basically center-right free market conservationism, austerity, privatization, and is ok with whatever your identity is as long as it can be commodified.
Classic liberalism probably looked more like what social democracy is now.
In the US it means exactly “Not conservative (or centrist)”. Same as left-wing, progressive, etc. There just isn’t really any distinction or nuance, and I only learned after joining Lemmy that outside the US, liberal has a completely different meaning, and basically means capitalist as far as I can tell.
I had the same, although opposite, realization. I’m used to Liberal meaning somewhat right-leaning; rights to private property, personal freedom, limited government, etc. Apparently in the US it’s basically a “bad leftist dumb-dumb”.
Here it’s any leftist of any degree, so yeah, the conservatives use it as an insult, but otherwise it’s not.
and basically means capitalist
Liberalism is the ideology that created the modern meaning of democracy.
Explain?
Explain what exactly?
That seems to be a third definition I wasn’t familiar with at all, but Klear covered it.
Hum… He didn’t go far enough.
The law treating everybody equably is literally an idea taken from Liberalism. Representative governments where every person gets to vote is taken from Liberalism. The government regulating markets so companies compete on selling the best product is an idea taken from Liberalism. And yes, the part he got into, the entire idea of human rights and protecting them, that’s also from Liberalism.
Huh. I wonder why it’s so hated here on Lemmy then?
Edit: sorry for the wall of text. I had some time during my morning coffee and it got out of hand a bit
The issue with the US is that only having two parties warps and squishes all nuance in political discourse. Everything gets forced into one of two boxes. Plurality reduced to a binary choice.
Conservativism is associated with right and liberalism with left, but it doesn’t have to be. We have a communist party - definitely economic left, but it’s packed with old conservative fucks, with focus on the so called traditional values, hoping to return to the good old days, when they were the only ruling party and they could throw people in jail for reading the wrong book or having long hair. And their voting base is mostly uneducated rural folks, much like the GOP.
Liberalism stands for personal freedoms - expression, religion, movement - hence the name. The state’s role is supposed to be to facilitate these freedoms. Think feminism, LGBT or environmental protection rather than the “government can’t tell me what to do” libertarian types.
Overall the idea is the opposition to the totalitarian forms of government - monarchy, communism, fascism - that we have faced in not too distant
futurepast (god I hope the typo is not a prediction), right here. I suspect in the US these are much more distant, abstract, easy to think of as bogeymen rather than a real threat.
Liberals are the people in power roughly half the time usually lowering the deficit and improving the quality of life for a bunch of people who typically don’t give a shit about it.
liberalism is when im mad but not at anarchism
liberalism and anarchism are also fascism
read theory
only libs downvote this
Your last line caused my downvote just so you know.
if you have the reading comprehension to understand that the most likely meaning of “liberalism is when im mad” is making fun of tankies i will choose to interpret that as participating in the joke and that’s fine
Yes, anarchism, the ideology that is fundamentally opposed to hierarchy, is the same as fascism, an ideology that is steeped in hierarchy.
Motherfucker you need to read theory.
The infinite tribes, labels, and subgroups of our political climate makes any rational discussion impossible, and real problem solving incredibly difficult
That is some reductive shit Wesley would say! 🤯
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I laugh when I see self-described leftists say that AOC, Mamdani and Bernie Sanders are too far right for them.
AOC and Sanders don’t want to abolish rent-seeking, so that’s definitely farther right than I’d prefer. They’re still obviously better than most of the Democratic and all of the Republican party, but they’re compromises.
I think if you ask 100 random people to define what (political) left&right are, that you’d likely get 100 different answers.
I don’t know the right seems pretty unified.
I know plenty of people on the “right”, the only thing they truly agree on is that they’re afraid. They don’t really hold any consistent political or moral philosophies.
And a good chunk of them think that they’re moderate and only lean right, yet they’re for mass deportation, masked ICE and CBP officers, higher “defense” budgets, etc while being against abortion access, drug legalization, social services, LGBTQ rights, etc. So long as they know one person further right than them, they are forever moderate.
I mean, that’s fair. They are still too far right. But much closer to the socialist utopia
Fucking /s for those who need it
your posts are always the dumbest centrist genocide-fellating garbage. But hey, at least you got a single person to comment.
You’re the second and if you look at my comments I am very against all genocides.
