So they ignore him for 10 days and the law goes into effect anyway.
Fucking toddler throwing a fit. Just ignore him.
He can still veto it, right?
He can. But that’s not the same as refusing to sign.
Also, it passed with a veto proof majority, so unless he’s able to brow beat Republicans into switching their votes when he sends it back to them it’s a done deal
Isn’t not signing a pocket veto? Where did you get that?
Yes, but actually no. (Part of the weirdness of U.S. law.)
Passed bills have 10 days during the current legislative session to be signed into law. If they don’t get signed, they automatically become laws. Unless the current legislative session is ending, that is.
If the legislative session is set to end before that 10-day period, not signing the law is a means to veto it without vetoing it - aka the pocket veto.So - not signing a bill could be a pocket veto, but in this case it is not because the legislative session is going to continue on for awhile.
(Editing to add that this is my ‘just woke up from a nap and typed this out from memory’ recollection of the process. I might be wrong on some specifics, but it should, overall, be correct.)
Huh.
This bill was passed with a veto proof majority though, it was like hundreds to 67 against or something. But I am fuzzy on the rules to be sure, I should learn them more as you are.
Your comment made me realize I didn’t know. So I looked this up, and it’s actually a bit of both. It depends on if Congress is in session when the 10 days have passed:
If any Bill shall not be returned by the President within ten days (Sundays excepted) after it shall have been presented to him, the same shall be a Law, in like manner as if he had signed it, unless the Congress by their Adjournment prevent its return, in which case it shall not be a Law.
It’s particularly bonkers because the bill passed with a veto-proof majority
The bill, called the 21st Century Road to Housing Act, passed 358-32 in the House. The Senate approved it Monday with similarly overwhelming bipartisan support.
So, Trump has zero leverage here. Unless he thinks, somehow, he can convince Republicans to switch sides and vote against a veto override on a bill they already voted for.
This bill is becoming law whether he supports it or not. It’s also quite popular (with everyone who is not in Private Equity). Usually, he bends over backwards to be seen on the popular side of an issue. This makes no sense, even by Trump logic.
That is exactly what he will do. And they will fall in line like they always do.
They can remove the dementia fuckstick at any point, but they don’t. Even while he’s at a new all-time low approval, even with Republican voters. And regularly failing at absolutely everything he does now. It’s extremely easy to justify removing him with all these obvious and public fuckups, but they still don’t.
I don’t think they can use the 25th amendment unless Vance is on board. And going into midterms with Acting President Vance might not be any more appealing to the Republicans than sticking with Trump.
Are you serious? No, the 25th is not an option. It never was, especially this term. It is not worth mentioning.
I was saying it should be used. The person I was replying to seemed to be suggesting it and I was pointing out problems.
edit: wasn’t. I wasn’t saying it should be used.
In his jello brain this is a power play. He got some recent primary wins, so now he’s going to dare Republicans to defy him on this under the threat of a future primary challenge. The next big election after the midterms will the presidential election where he imagines he’ll be the kingmaker.
I agree I think it’s unlikely enough people are going to bend on this, but with how spineless Republicans have been, it would not surprise me if a whole bunch of them started making noise about it. Jesters dancing for the king.
He’s trying for a pocket veto. It might work.
Doesn’t a pocket veto mean the law goes into effect anyway?
The President has 10 days (excluding Sundays) to sign the bill, or veto it. If he does neither, the bill takes effect as if he had signed it – as long as Congress is still in session.
A Pocket Veto is when the President doesn’t sign a bill, and Congress is not in session when the 10 day period expires. In that case, the law will not take effect.
But, these days Congress never formally adjourns. Even when they go home, local members still hold formal sessions where nothing is done specifically to keep Congress in session. And I think even this Congress won’t simply adjourn itself because Trump wants it to.
This was also a discussion when Trump nominated idiots like Matt Gaetz, who had no shot of getting confirmed. Trump wanted Congress to adjourn itself, so he could make a Recess Appointment. They declined. If they didn’t roll over then, they won’t now.
I’d Congress stays in session it goes into effect. If Congress leaves town it doesn’t.
That’s basically it, but the complex version is that if someone is appointed to receive messages then this becomes law on the 6th or 7th (i.e. in 10 days, not counting Sundays).
But, if no one is appointed for this break, then it’s a pocket veto and cannot be overruled, it would require a new bill.
If Congress were in session the week of the 6th, then this wouldn’t be an issue.
I guess this bill passed with a veto proof majority, so there is no pocket veto, but normally, if it passed with like 50 some percent, he could not sign and it would be a pocket veto.
This bill is becoming law whether he supports it or not. It’s also quite popular (with everyone who is not in Private Equity).
I don’t buy any Private Equity whining about this, all they need to do is spin up a few corporate shells and they’ll be able to keep each one of them under the limit on single family home ownership, but they’ll still be cashing subsidies for construction and enjoying the gutting of environmental regulations that came with this
The real housing reform we need is more public housing on the market owned and administered by municipal or state governments, anything short of that is just going to be putting money back into the pockets of the land barons
You don’t think private equity will be complaining, lobbying on this? Wow, your understanding is fucked.
No, I think their complaining and lobbying is a bullshit pretense to keep everyone talking about this legislation that doesn’t solve the problem (and creates a few new ones) instead of talking about policies that would actually do something
While this legislation is bullshit, and clear permit processes and such for these same assholes to bring their bullshit, they will still be opposing it out of principle, you can be sure. These are the most arrogant assholes on the earth.
A majority of Republican voters don’t have a photo “proof of citizenship.” A drivers license doesn’t work. So, Trump is destroying his own party.
Selective enforcement was always the plan. They pass these laws so their brownshirts can point to them when they profile POC while waving white people through.
That’s why there’s so many latino maga pick-me’s. They think making the cut is a matter of loyalty and not skin pigment.
Maybe, but somehow they’d find a way for THEM to vote…
“You can sign up to the GOP membership on the spot, then use the Party ID number we give you!”
I’m imagining all those folks who get upset over being assigned “the mark of the beast” being OK with this, even though the GOP symbol is an elephant …
They’re already wearing it; those damn MAGA hats. Right there on their on their broad sloping foreheads. Just like their prophecy foretold.
Surely, there is no need to rise up, republicans just lost the election as Shortrib is saying…
Nothing to see here… Move along… Please just trust in the election and wait it out! IT’LL WORK!
And a majority of southern whites couldn’t read during Jim crow, but the literacy tests at the polls never seemed to stop them from voting…
TRAITOR
Doesn’t it become law without Trump’s signature anyway? Purely performative.
whiny little bitch
This should be interesting with the whole ten day approval. Does he step in, run to his SCOTUS, cry, and find a way to over rule it? We know rules and laws don’t apply to him. Or does he just babble about “dumocrats” being socialist antifa fake news pool destroying fraudulent terrorists?
