I’m looking for places with less censorship so we can have actual discussions instead of only allowing comments that support the trans agenda.
That level of censorship does not help their cause; it actively hinders it because regular people aren’t allowed to have their own beliefs on the matter. Either they succumb to the hysteria, or they’re ousted.
I’d honestly be surprised if even asking this question didn’t result in censorship. That’s how bad things have gotten.
Edit: Plenty of personal attacks, but no legitimate answers! Did anyone come to this thread to actually answer the question?
In here is a good place, as you can see you aren’t being censored.
That being said, let me show you how you read by changing a single word:
I’m looking for places with less censorship so we can have actual discussions instead of only allowing comments that support the black agenda.
That level of censorship does not help their cause; it actively hinders it because regular people aren’t allowed to have their own beliefs on the matter. Either they succumb to the hysteria, or they’re ousted.
I’d honestly be surprised if even asking this question didn’t result in censorship. That’s how bad things have gotten.
And there’s no “belief” in the matter, transgender is an understood condition, like ADHD or skin color. You trying to claim transgenders are not people, or that gender is not a social construct is just ridiculous, that’s why you’ll get downvoted or banned, same reason you would get arrested by going somewhere and claiming blacks are not humans, you’re factually incorrect, spreading misinformation and promoting violence, none of which should be tolerated in any civilized society due to the Tolerance Paradox.
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Wow.
Nobody’s gonna fall for your “actual discussion without censorship” excuse, you’re obviously looking for a place where transphobia is welcome. Try xitter or reddit.com/r/conservative and GTFO off Lemmy with that shit.
But the more important question is: why?
Why the fuck would you WANT to be in a hate echo chamber?
Why would you want to read this week’s made up story about some creep that put on a skirt to creep on the ladies bathroom, when instead you could watch a cat video, or a cool car or talk about yesterday’s sports game or a cute potted plant or whatever it is that you actually like?
You have a very limited time in this world brother, why waste it being angry at some imaginary trans boogieman that will never really affect your life in any way, instead of doing something actually meaningful, or something that makes you happy?
Not trans here but, NO. There is no “debate” or “discussion” to be had about anyones right to exist without persecution. Full stop. It’s not your business to “discuss” it and your opinion about someone’s existence is irrelevant. It’s not “censorship”. What you’re not so slyly complaining about here is that you’re feeling the consequences of your bigotry. Take it elsewhere.
“The trans agenda” is in itself a bigoted statement. The agenda of trans people is to exist. If you’ve never used the terms “straight agenda” or “cis agenda” you’re the one with a bigoted agenda.
Who else fucking behaves like this?
Imagine asking a black person why you can’t simply have a discussion over their right to exist, their right to be treated with the same respect we treat others.
Fucking trans agenda.
Fuck off you fucking cunt.
I am a trans person and disagree with basically everything you’ve said. The only reason I upvoted this post is because censorship is really a problem and you should be allowed to say this stuff even if I vehemently disagree with you - I’m not going to change your mind if you’re banned or censored, or my talking down to you. If this post gets taken down, I don’t mind having a discussion with you via PMs.
I can understand you fear getting your account banned if you say your opinions, however you should be aware that using inflammatory language like ‘trans agenda’ or ‘transgenderism’ will make people less happy to engage with you in good faith. I’m not saying you shouldn’t be allowed to say that, but rather using more neutral language to discuss your opinions may result in a more productive conversation, as advice. I welcome your reply :)
This is full of weasel words. Here are just the ones that stood out to me:
- “Censorship”, which is just “free speech” with makeup.
- “Regular people”, implying that anyone disagreeing with you isn’t regular
- “Hysteria”
- “How bad things (are)”
- And of course, “trans agenda”
Everyone believes you are asking in bad faith, because it’s clear that you are.
(And as always, XKCD 1357 applies)
You’re not being censored, you just have a shitty and unpopular take. Go back to whatever cess pit you crawled out of. Bigots will not find support here.
Well you seem to consider it a “hysteria” and a “trans agenda”, so I don’t think you would welcome any actual discussion. Or that you care at all either way.
If you really want to discuss the question of what gender really is, does it exist, and how this messy stuff of being a human functions, there are much better ways to open a discussion.
Do you know any lemmy communities that allow criticism of transgenderism?
Most of them. There are a couple of crazy ones, but mostly don’t be an asshole and I doubt many would ban you for expressing an opinion that gender is permanently fixed on birth/conception. You would get downvoted a lot though.
Can you share some examples?
Based on what I’ve seen and experienced, most communities do not allow criticism of transgenderism and will ban anyone for “expressing an opinion that gender is permanently fixed on birth/conception.”
Your opinion is being allowed right here and now. But because you suck, you’re being criticized and down voted.
You have a chance to run an experiment.
Know your audience. A lot of people here are trans or trans-adjacent. Imagine if you were speaking to a room full of trans people. What would you say to convince them to accept their birth gender? Or at least not be booed out of the room.
We could probably have this discussion in a community that allows criticism of transgenderism.
We can have it RIGHT HERE, RIGHT NOW. Nobody is censoring you, but you refuse to engage in the debate you claim you can’t post about.
Is the conversation not happening right here and now? You have been given an offer to speak and it feels a bit like you are shutting it down yourself. It feels like you are concerned that it will not go over well.
I believe that trans people have a right to live and thrive, just as anyone does. To me the question feels like “should we let people with brown hair exist?” “All those brownies are trying to make us all have brown hair!”
Do you have an answer to the thread’s question?
You are just begging the question, troll. Get out of here with your doubly dishonest “discussion”. Holy fuck, obvious troll.
Nah, I checked the user’s history before engaging, they (heh) seem to be honestly convinced. But I don’t think even they can explain where their fear of trans people comes from.
Not really.
Try Truth Social.
Why are you even asking here? Why not directly go to twitter or truth social? That seems the obvious choice based on all the red flags in your post.
Social media is a circle jerk machine: It will reinforce any sentiment to it’s absolute limit.
A sub like the one you suggested will inevitably turn into a anti-trans hate machine. No such space will exist for long on Lemmy, nor should it.
I’m sorry to see that everyone seems to assume your question is in bad faith. But considering what you’re asking for - that’s kind of understandable, isn’t it?
If you are willing to be respectful and discuss ideas in good faith then there are lots of communities to choose from. Here are two off the top of my head:
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[email protected]If you want to broaden your perspectives and have discussions with actual trans people you could try [email protected]
However, it is clear that you are searching for a guaranteed safe space to say something that you aren’t comfortable voicing out loud, even on an anonymous forum. We have all seen this show before, hence the comments you are getting. If you want a radical free speech space to say anything without consequences then Lemmy isn’t your platform.
There. Now you can stop complaining that nobody will answer your question. Go do something more productive with your day.
thank you for this thoughtful, clear, and definitive answer to the question.
May-be not talking about trans agenda and transgenderism would make your post feeling less bigoted, and more open for discussion.
And in general denying basic human rights to people no matter the reason sucks
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Were you really looking for honest discussion? If you posted without inflammatory language and a combative attitude, you may have started an actual dialogue. But you didn’t.
