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21 Jesus answered, “If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.”
This was probably said with a cheesy car-salesman grin and a hand out. You’ll note none of the apostles were poor. at least, not before they started following jesus
In short the assholes like Mike Johnson are 100% perfectly in line- probably- with the historic jesus.
Jesus didn’t tell the guy to give Jesus anything. He said, go give it all away, then come back when you have nothing to give me, then we can get to work.
If you read the bible, Jesus was very much like what I would have expected a for-real holy man to be. He was also constantly at war with the Mike Johnsons of his day, with periodic physical violence from both sides.
Even if you accept the scriptures as credible… they’re the half-remembered words of second and third hand witnesses recorded fifty years after the fact. At best.
Out of curiosity, where do you think the shared money bag managed by Judas got the funds? Jesus and the disciples lived communally, sharing everything between them.
Again. You’ll notice, none of the 12 were in fact poor. For someone not concerned with wealth, that’s an interesting fact.
I do not. They include some direct contradictions between different sections about factual events, never mind even the spiritual inconsistencies, which are massive. If you study the history and where things got translated into other things, you can actually see where some of the mistakes got introduced and why, and how particular people introduced particular self-serving parts into “canon” at different points for particular reasons. So no, definitely not credible.
I’m just saying that, when I read the story of Jesus’s life specifically, the way he’s described sounds exactly like how a real holy man would behave and how I think society as a whole (very much including the church) would react to him: With mistrust, hostility, and eventually with assassination. It’s very different from both the Mike Johnson supply side Jesus version and the Sunday school version that is common in American religious upbringing. In fact they are so different that those three are all simply mutually unrelated to each other. American Christians are just telling the story they’re trying to tell, making the point they’re trying to make, just like you apparently are here.
I’m not taking a position about whether any of it is true and I don’t plan to. I have no idea what argument you’re trying to start, but I want no part of it.
This was probably said with a cheesy car-salesman grin and a hand out. You’ll note none of the apostles were poor. at least, not before they started following jesus
In short the assholes like Mike Johnson are 100% perfectly in line- probably- with the historic jesus.
What?
Jesus didn’t tell the guy to give Jesus anything. He said, go give it all away, then come back when you have nothing to give me, then we can get to work.
If you read the bible, Jesus was very much like what I would have expected a for-real holy man to be. He was also constantly at war with the Mike Johnsons of his day, with periodic physical violence from both sides.
Even if you accept the scriptures as credible… they’re the half-remembered words of second and third hand witnesses recorded fifty years after the fact. At best.
Out of curiosity, where do you think the shared money bag managed by Judas got the funds? Jesus and the disciples lived communally, sharing everything between them.
Again. You’ll notice, none of the 12 were in fact poor. For someone not concerned with wealth, that’s an interesting fact.
I do not. They include some direct contradictions between different sections about factual events, never mind even the spiritual inconsistencies, which are massive. If you study the history and where things got translated into other things, you can actually see where some of the mistakes got introduced and why, and how particular people introduced particular self-serving parts into “canon” at different points for particular reasons. So no, definitely not credible.
I’m just saying that, when I read the story of Jesus’s life specifically, the way he’s described sounds exactly like how a real holy man would behave and how I think society as a whole (very much including the church) would react to him: With mistrust, hostility, and eventually with assassination. It’s very different from both the Mike Johnson supply side Jesus version and the Sunday school version that is common in American religious upbringing. In fact they are so different that those three are all simply mutually unrelated to each other. American Christians are just telling the story they’re trying to tell, making the point they’re trying to make, just like you apparently are here.
I’m not taking a position about whether any of it is true and I don’t plan to. I have no idea what argument you’re trying to start, but I want no part of it.