“This is the new model, where you work in these plants for the rest of your life, and your kids work here, and your grandkids work here,” U.S. Secretary of Commerce Howard Lutnick says.
Come on man it took one google search to read about the centralized labour programs, liquidation of foreign ethnic groups, and militarization of labour. This isn’t even counting the estimated 10 million or so people in forced labour gulags.
“It took one google search to find unsourced claims against the greatest geopolitical enemy of my country”
centralized labour programs
What exactly are you talking about?
liquidation of foreign ethnic groups
Nothingburger made up by the west. The greatest possible claim against any ethnic group is the relocation of some minority in Crimea (I think Tatars) in the context of WW2 as a result of the paranoia against nazis, nothing compared to the Japanese concentration camps in the US dedicated to one specific ethnicity.
and militarization of labour
Again, what do you mean?
This isn’t even counting the estimated 10 million or so people in forced labour gulags
At the height of the GULAG system, there were fewer prisoners than currently in the USA. Forced labour was a bad thing, I agree, but it was nothing compared to that of modern western countries such as the USA.
https://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/10.1086/253301
Centralized labour programs were enforced work on the civilian population to rapidly industrialize and catch up to Western nations in the 1930s. Since the labour was compulsory from the government, it is a forced labour program.
https://www.academia.edu/11885029
Ethnic minorities within the Soviet Union were forced into sparcely populated areas in the interior for forced labour, mostly mining. At least 6 million people were affected by this.
On your last point, the US currently has 1.8 million incarcerated people. In 1931, there were 2 million in gulags, and more in other forms of incarceration. Please lick the boots of a different country.
Literally the three examples you brought are wartime extreme measures, either in a war that took the lives of 27 million soviet citizens (WW2) or in a war against absolutism and tsarism in which 17 western countries invaded the RSFSR for the sin of being communist. Funny how you can’t find examples after the situation normalised in the Soviet Union and it stopped being under immediate threat of genocide at the hands of Nazis?
the US currently has 1.8 million incarcerated people. In 1931, there were 2 million in gulags
Sorry, my numbers were off by 10%. Still, we’re comparing the eve of WW2 and the process of collectivisation of land, to a period of relative quiet and global power by the US. Not relevant?
You idiot, reread the sources, 1930-1938 is not wartime. Nor is 1931 the eve of WW2. Literally none of those are wartime measures. If you actually read the sources you would have also seen the programs went until the 1960s, after WW2.
1931 is full-on collectivisation period. Only by 1929 the Soviet economy recovered from the brutal civil war in which it was invaded by 17 countries.
In 1929 it was a feudal country starting the fastest process of industrialisation humanity had ever seen. In 1929 5% of the budget was military, by 1939 it was 40+%. The USSR was preparing for the inevitable invasion that it would suffer as a consequence of opposing capitalism and fascism, which came in 1941. 27 million people died in 1941-1945 as a consequence of the war. Hadn’t it been for the preparation for war, the entirety of Eastern Europe would have been genocided in a similar but worse fashion than Poland.
This preparation literally SAVED Europe from Nazism. There were problems in the process, such as during collectivisation, but if you deny that the Soviet preparation and economy SAVED Europe from fascism, you’re falling into Nazi apologia. You really, really can’t see why the USSR had to prepare thoroughly for the impending war that they successfully predicted? You really can’t see why 1930s weren’t a peaceful period, but actually a process of class war against landlords and former nobility, and a preparation to defeat fascism?
Come on man it took one google search to read about the centralized labour programs, liquidation of foreign ethnic groups, and militarization of labour. This isn’t even counting the estimated 10 million or so people in forced labour gulags.
“It took one google search to find unsourced claims against the greatest geopolitical enemy of my country”
What exactly are you talking about?
Nothingburger made up by the west. The greatest possible claim against any ethnic group is the relocation of some minority in Crimea (I think Tatars) in the context of WW2 as a result of the paranoia against nazis, nothing compared to the Japanese concentration camps in the US dedicated to one specific ethnicity.
Again, what do you mean?
At the height of the GULAG system, there were fewer prisoners than currently in the USA. Forced labour was a bad thing, I agree, but it was nothing compared to that of modern western countries such as the USA.
https://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/10.1086/253301 Centralized labour programs were enforced work on the civilian population to rapidly industrialize and catch up to Western nations in the 1930s. Since the labour was compulsory from the government, it is a forced labour program.
https://www.academia.edu/11885029 Ethnic minorities within the Soviet Union were forced into sparcely populated areas in the interior for forced labour, mostly mining. At least 6 million people were affected by this.
https://soviethistory.msu.edu/1921-2/militarization-of-labor/ Civilians were drafted into labour armies, forced work in remote locations, in order to rapidly industrialize. The labour armies would also oversee other forced labour programs.
On your last point, the US currently has 1.8 million incarcerated people. In 1931, there were 2 million in gulags, and more in other forms of incarceration. Please lick the boots of a different country.
Literally the three examples you brought are wartime extreme measures, either in a war that took the lives of 27 million soviet citizens (WW2) or in a war against absolutism and tsarism in which 17 western countries invaded the RSFSR for the sin of being communist. Funny how you can’t find examples after the situation normalised in the Soviet Union and it stopped being under immediate threat of genocide at the hands of Nazis?
Sorry, my numbers were off by 10%. Still, we’re comparing the eve of WW2 and the process of collectivisation of land, to a period of relative quiet and global power by the US. Not relevant?
You idiot, reread the sources, 1930-1938 is not wartime. Nor is 1931 the eve of WW2. Literally none of those are wartime measures. If you actually read the sources you would have also seen the programs went until the 1960s, after WW2.
1931 is full-on collectivisation period. Only by 1929 the Soviet economy recovered from the brutal civil war in which it was invaded by 17 countries.
In 1929 it was a feudal country starting the fastest process of industrialisation humanity had ever seen. In 1929 5% of the budget was military, by 1939 it was 40+%. The USSR was preparing for the inevitable invasion that it would suffer as a consequence of opposing capitalism and fascism, which came in 1941. 27 million people died in 1941-1945 as a consequence of the war. Hadn’t it been for the preparation for war, the entirety of Eastern Europe would have been genocided in a similar but worse fashion than Poland.
This preparation literally SAVED Europe from Nazism. There were problems in the process, such as during collectivisation, but if you deny that the Soviet preparation and economy SAVED Europe from fascism, you’re falling into Nazi apologia. You really, really can’t see why the USSR had to prepare thoroughly for the impending war that they successfully predicted? You really can’t see why 1930s weren’t a peaceful period, but actually a process of class war against landlords and former nobility, and a preparation to defeat fascism?
And don’t forget the 20 million or so broken eggs needed to make that shit omelette in the first place.