Distopias can take many different forms, you haven’t felt the boundaries because you haven’t stretched.
Also I recommend the book “brave new world” for a view of a distopia that doesn’t oppress with power but softer means.
Have you read your recommended book? The whole story is about overt oppression, caste-based systems, dehumanization, not about softer means. If by different forms you are saying that dystopias are often flawed utopias, then our own isn’t utopic at all, we just live in the least bad times in all history.
we just live in the least bad times in all history.
This argument worked in 1990 and maybe even 2000.
It does not work for 2010 or 2020. The “least bad time” in all history has come and past.
There too was a time when Romans lived in the least bad time in all history, and then it took another 400 years to get back to those levels. Read the room. The future is of collapse, not prosperity.
The 90s, when capitalism was bringing the former USSR the biggest non-war-related decrease in human life expectancy? When a million Iraqi children suffered excess deaths due to the US sanctions? When the Rwandan genocide was going on?
By softer means I ment softer than what usually people picture when they think of distopia and that in my experience is 1984 by Orwell. Yes in brave new world there is a class system and all other listed flaws, but decention is not delt with by force, but by propaganda, ridicule and endless distractions. In other words the main tool of oppression is not the stick but the carrot.
Lol, that’s what I’m talking about, people in rich nations have absolutely warped idea of how really bad things can be (no I’m not diminishing suffering of migrants in US) and actually are for majority of himan population. We are living in the best, most abundand, most free and happy stretch of human history.
That’s the thing people all over the world live better then ever, for example number of people that are affected by hunger is less then 10% globally, and the number goes down if slowly. It’s getting better, not worse, this ‘the end is nigh’ attitude is wrong, people are freer and richer and have a lot more opportunities even in the most oppressive regimes and in the most remote tegions.
It was 7% in 2017, it’s now 9%. Most progress was due to China, whom I have some hope for.
people are freer and richer and have a lot more opportunities
Wealth elasticity is going down in nearly every western nation; if you’re born poor in America, you’re more likely to die poor than your parents were.
Short of a revolution, the west is going to continue this trajectory as we struggle to afford basic necessities like housing, and billionaire mouth-pieces insist we live better than kings of the middle ages because kings of the middle ages couldn’t afford ipads.
No, because it isn’t even close to real distopia. Especially for people in most rich nations.
Distopias can take many different forms, you haven’t felt the boundaries because you haven’t stretched. Also I recommend the book “brave new world” for a view of a distopia that doesn’t oppress with power but softer means.
Have you read your recommended book? The whole story is about overt oppression, caste-based systems, dehumanization, not about softer means. If by different forms you are saying that dystopias are often flawed utopias, then our own isn’t utopic at all, we just live in the least bad times in all history.
This argument worked in 1990 and maybe even 2000.
It does not work for 2010 or 2020. The “least bad time” in all history has come and past.
There too was a time when Romans lived in the least bad time in all history, and then it took another 400 years to get back to those levels. Read the room. The future is of collapse, not prosperity.
The 90s, when capitalism was bringing the former USSR the biggest non-war-related decrease in human life expectancy? When a million Iraqi children suffered excess deaths due to the US sanctions? When the Rwandan genocide was going on?
Yep, that’s the decade. Wasn’t talking about 1890 haha.
Did you have a different answer in mind? If you let me know your answer I can disingenuously list a bunch of conflicts that decade.
By softer means I ment softer than what usually people picture when they think of distopia and that in my experience is 1984 by Orwell. Yes in brave new world there is a class system and all other listed flaws, but decention is not delt with by force, but by propaganda, ridicule and endless distractions. In other words the main tool of oppression is not the stick but the carrot.
You do understand that a book is about the most priveleged caste? You can’t have rigid caste society with soft oppression and carrots without sticks.
You can by using:
Also drugs. It is stated in the book, several times, have you read it?
A boring Dystopia.
It becomes less boring by the day though.
That’s subjective, obviously.
I imagine being a migrant in the US right now would feel pretty dystopian.
Lol, that’s what I’m talking about, people in rich nations have absolutely warped idea of how really bad things can be (no I’m not diminishing suffering of migrants in US) and actually are for majority of himan population. We are living in the best, most abundand, most free and happy stretch of human history.
To be fair, the post also states “our world” and not “my privileged Western society”.
That’s the thing people all over the world live better then ever, for example number of people that are affected by hunger is less then 10% globally, and the number goes down if slowly. It’s getting better, not worse, this ‘the end is nigh’ attitude is wrong, people are freer and richer and have a lot more opportunities even in the most oppressive regimes and in the most remote tegions.
People in the US are dramatically less free and less wealthy than they were a decade ago.
https://healthpolicy-watch.news/progress-towards-sdg-no-hunger-goal-remained-stalled-in-2023-one-in-11-people-undernourished/
It was 7% in 2017, it’s now 9%. Most progress was due to China, whom I have some hope for.
Wealth elasticity is going down in nearly every western nation; if you’re born poor in America, you’re more likely to die poor than your parents were.
Short of a revolution, the west is going to continue this trajectory as we struggle to afford basic necessities like housing, and billionaire mouth-pieces insist we live better than kings of the middle ages because kings of the middle ages couldn’t afford ipads.
Get fucked, LLM slob.
What?