A British Transport Police spokesperson said: “Under previous policy, we had advised that someone with a Gender Recognition Certificate (GRC) may be searched in accordance with their acquired sex, however as an interim position while we digest yesterday’s judgement, we have advised our officers that any same sex searches in custody are to be undertaken in accordance with the biological birth sex of the detainee.
“We are in the process of reviewing the implications of the ruling and will consider any necessary updates to our policies and practices in line with the law and national guidance.”
OK, so if a group is small enough, it’s OK to abuse them and deny them their rights?
What’s your threshold? 1%? 10%?
As I have said to another person. You need to take a Utilitarian approach. You can’t appease everyone, we don’t live in a utopia. So you are saying the 50% of the Human race or 49.9998% of Women are less important than your 1/10% .
Unfortunately yes that is the case. The 0.1% of the population is not the priority, and the decision clearly and explicitly shows that is so.
You’re 1 out of 8 billion. Why should anyone respect your rights as an individual?
Yes you can zoom out far or you can zoom in close to a common collective.
Ultimately, none of us matter.
Therefore, you shouldn’t be this invested in random strangers’ genitals.
True but when they start pushing to change scientific fact and possibly what children are taught. We have to step in.
Who is “they”? What “scientific fact” is being changed? Why shouldn’t children learn about the existence of trans, intersex, and nonbinary people? Who is “we” and what does your “stepping in” involve?
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“Children don’t need to learn about …” is so wild. Y’all are fascinatingly weird, as if preventing kids from learning about things is either possible or desirable.
You think that people with mental conditions shouldn’t get help and encouragement to deal with them? Again, this is so amazingly weird.
If you have kids I feel for them. My children know that I’ll love and accept them even if they turn out differently from my expectations.
Your kid might be trans and hiding that fact to protect themselves just like I did. The only way you can find out for sure is to convince your child that they can come out to you without risking your disapproval.
Lol, buddy, I’m almost 40 and I figured out I was trans when I was 11 based on nothing more than passing anthropological references to hijra and two-spirit persons I found in a small town Texas public library in the 90’s. If my generation is fucked then every generation is fucked.
Freaky behaviour to want to control what children learn with regards to people that are just going about their business.
This over protective tendency also helps protect child abusers, who shield their children from learning what should and shouldn’t be done to them.
Hope your kids are doing alright pal 👍
The utilitarian approach would be to throw out all this nonsense.
Maintaining a cult of binary and immutable sex is expensive because it requires work to force people to fit in the available boxes and prevent them from moving between them. The utilitarian answer is to stop wasting time and money enforcing sex segregation.
What percentage of rapists are men vs women? Sex segregation when it comes to things like strip searching is an (unfortunate) necessity.
Same for sports - men are biologically stronger than women. Just because you don’t like the fact that the average man and woman are foundationally different when it comes to things like this, doesn’t mean this is actually your utopia. Women and their rights need protected- I can’t believe that somebody has to say this in the twenty-first century, but here we are.
And don’t strawman me- there’s nothing dangerous about a man working with children or a woman doing an engineering job, or any other job, for that matter. That’s not the same thing as strip searching, sports, and changing rooms. Anyone who is seriously arguing that we should get rid of sex segregation in strip searching, bathrooms, safety refuges, and changing rooms is a mentally deranged pervert who needs their hard drive checked.
By your logic, if our society didn’t have a rape problem then there would be no need to segregate by sex.
Seems to me, then, that focusing on the segregation isn’t the same thing as focusing on the problem.
The thing is, you need to fix the problem before virtue signalling. And by our fallen nature, throughout history, men have always subjugated women. If somewhere claims to not have rape happening, then there are big coverups happening
You probably want to revisit your history, matriarchical societies aren’t exactly uncommon.
Source?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Matriarchy
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You’re misinformed. Go learn some actual, factual knowledge about biology.
Also:
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/heres-why-human-sex-is-not-binary/
https://www.nas.org/academic-questions/33/2/in-humans-sex-is-binary-and-immutable
Sources for everything dude.
Except if you compare these two sources, one is from an organisation that relies on the scientific method, and the other is from a lobbying organisation that exists to promote conservative ideologies.
These things are not the same.
Did you not read the article?
The central point of the argument you shared is that the natural variation in sex among humans doesn’t count because anything that doesn’t fall into a rigid binary is an exception to the rule.
That’s tautological, “my dogma is correct because anything that contradicts me doesn’t count.” This isn’t science, it’s ideology.
Science is built upon the fact that the existence of exceptions to a rule means that the rule doesn’t describe reality. If your system of categorization requires exceptions, then there are categories you failed to describe.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Association_of_Scholars
Yeah this seems like a scientifically-minded unbiased organisation on the matter
Two sexes.
Let’s see a man try to give birth and a woman get a man pregnant. That is binary. Never in the history of human kind has a man birthed a child.
Forget your little gender words (which are Just made up by JM)
Anyway I’m done arguing with extreme leftists. Online doesn’t reflect reality thankfully.
You are obviously not aware of the fact that trans men can and do get pregnant and trans women can and do sire children. Your “never in history” argument has, in fact, never been true, since it relies upon the assumption that trans people aren’t real.
This “two sexes” argument is reductive to a fault. By the binary logic, all men must be equally “manly”. Unless your argument is that every man you know is as manly as a trans woman in skirts and eyeliner, then you’re just lying to yourself. If some men can be more or less manly than others then the distribution of sex must be bimodal rather than binary.
JM?
Sex is both variable and mutable. Both in our species and beyond it. Humans are not special.
I think you’re weird for caring so much about sex segregated spaces. If women (cis or trans) don’t feel safe in co-ed changing rooms with older men then there are much bigger problems with society that need to be addressed.
Mandating that trans men like the boxer below are required to use the womens’ room is obviously not going to make anybody feel safer.
Or how about a more rational idea- just make a smaller individual changing room for the minority of people like this. We already have disabled bathrooms which are gender neutral, why not disabled single unit changing rooms? I’m autistic and would never feel comfortable using a communal changing room anyway - whether I am surrounded by naked men or women. This would also benefit me and people like me as well.
But that would cost money and wouldn’t benefit rich people, so obviously every single “conservative” is against that idea. =/
Then why aren’t the leftists for it?
Thankfully society agrees with me and not the online bubble world.
I don’t care what someone does with their body, the pronouns they pick it what they believe they are. The women/man in the photo you attached can identify as what they like. Someone just identifying as a male or female with no changes to their physical characteristics is also allowed in the opposite change room though? It’s always the extreme with you lot.
Show me a society that wants to require guys to use women’s spaces like you do, lol.
But do you care when someone that looks like a man uses the women’s room?
That’s not the question. The question is who gets to decide which bathroom people use. I think the government doesn’t need be involved in that decision, you seem to be of the “papers, please” persuasion.
You’re calling me extreme, when you’re here saying that people who have made changes to their physical characteristics should be required to use a restroom that doesn’t match them.