He described the major pro-Israel lobby as an organization “for whom the only thing more frightening than democracy being allowed to run its course is an end to genocide and Netanyahu’s wars.”
Well yes, but that’s my point, this trend has been global since the 80’s with Reagan and Thatcher. Continental Europe held out longer, but even here it pretty much rules the day. A lot of Americans have a very, very misinformed view of what politics here look like thinking it much more to the left, and that just hasn’t been the case for arguably a few decades. There’s a few issues we’re even to the right of Americans on. Sure, there are some holdouts, but not many that have impacted politics much in recent history.
Of course but the argument is that Mamdani is nowhere near the edge of leftism. Politicians with far more leftist policies than him have existed and succesfully implemented many. It is not a mythical pipe dream.
This thread is about US politics. Go back to the first question I asked you. Also, Mamdani is in the US. I don’t know why we need to constantly pivot. I guess, on a global scale “akshually mamdani is center-left gosh”. Like, what an asinine useless take. Let me know when the rest of the world is ready to vote in us politics.
Definitely agree with that. I’d say he’s near the edge of politicians currently in an actual elected position in the US, but that’s about as far as it goes. Even in the US, there have been politicians further left in power historically. Absolutely no pipe dream.
“Historically” being the key word here… the political landscape of America, and frankly the western world, changed after the 80’s shift to neoliberalism via Reagan and Thatcher.
Ok. That’s a nice analysis to have for the history books. The US electorate can’t remember what happened 6 mos ago. Can we take this win with Mamdani? Can we take this one win please? Can we not purge him yet? Is that ok? I understand he’s not the perfect leftist. I get it. Can we just take this and work with it?
My friend, you are very much barking up the wrong tree here. And I don’t blame you one bit, there is a ton of what you’re describing here and it is very frustrating, but you’ve misunderstood me to be saying something I’m not. I think it’s helpful to know historical context to know that even more leftism is not only possible, but has happened… but I think Mamdani is still a huge win in this current political climate and I think attempts to tear him down are almost laughably self-defeating from anyone considering themselves on the left.
Fully agree with you man, we should take the W here as a much needed shift left of the Overton window…
I’m sorry if my tone sounded harsh. It was mainly addressed for the rest of LEMMY that can’t seem to understand how to build electoral power and move the goddamn overton window - LIKE AT ALL.
No worries, dude, I’m with ya… I completely understand the disillusionment, but people touting the death of electoralism that think they’re really being revolutionary, IMO are being useful idiots for the elite. And its definitely rampant here… I’m back and forth on whether to stick around, honestly.
Well yes, but that’s my point, this trend has been global since the 80’s with Reagan and Thatcher. Continental Europe held out longer, but even here it pretty much rules the day. A lot of Americans have a very, very misinformed view of what politics here look like thinking it much more to the left, and that just hasn’t been the case for arguably a few decades. There’s a few issues we’re even to the right of Americans on. Sure, there are some holdouts, but not many that have impacted politics much in recent history.
Of course but the argument is that Mamdani is nowhere near the edge of leftism. Politicians with far more leftist policies than him have existed and succesfully implemented many. It is not a mythical pipe dream.
In the last two decades in US politics? Like who? Name one
Try thinking outside of the two party system.
Yea? What have they “successfully implemented” in the US?
Nothing because you keep yelling at them to vote for Hillary
Ah ok. Sounds like they didn’t implement anything then. So we’re just making stuff up now. Gotcha.
Do you think the US is the entire world?
This thread is about US politics. Go back to the first question I asked you. Also, Mamdani is in the US. I don’t know why we need to constantly pivot. I guess, on a global scale “akshually mamdani is center-left gosh”. Like, what an asinine useless take. Let me know when the rest of the world is ready to vote in us politics.
Definitely agree with that. I’d say he’s near the edge of politicians currently in an actual elected position in the US, but that’s about as far as it goes. Even in the US, there have been politicians further left in power historically. Absolutely no pipe dream.
Who was more far left than Mamdani in the last two decades? Can you give an example?
“Historically” being the key word here… the political landscape of America, and frankly the western world, changed after the 80’s shift to neoliberalism via Reagan and Thatcher.
Ok. That’s a nice analysis to have for the history books. The US electorate can’t remember what happened 6 mos ago. Can we take this win with Mamdani? Can we take this one win please? Can we not purge him yet? Is that ok? I understand he’s not the perfect leftist. I get it. Can we just take this and work with it?
My friend, you are very much barking up the wrong tree here. And I don’t blame you one bit, there is a ton of what you’re describing here and it is very frustrating, but you’ve misunderstood me to be saying something I’m not. I think it’s helpful to know historical context to know that even more leftism is not only possible, but has happened… but I think Mamdani is still a huge win in this current political climate and I think attempts to tear him down are almost laughably self-defeating from anyone considering themselves on the left.
Fully agree with you man, we should take the W here as a much needed shift left of the Overton window…
I’m sorry if my tone sounded harsh. It was mainly addressed for the rest of LEMMY that can’t seem to understand how to build electoral power and move the goddamn overton window - LIKE AT ALL.
THANK YOU
No worries, dude, I’m with ya… I completely understand the disillusionment, but people touting the death of electoralism that think they’re really being revolutionary, IMO are being useful idiots for the elite. And its definitely rampant here… I’m back and forth on whether to stick around, honestly.