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Thanks for your reports on it. We try to action it as quickly as we can, and your reporting it helps us. We are attempting a few other Beehaw-only Lemmy changes to mitigate this sort of spam; short of de-federation. One of the major issues is that Kbin does not federate moderator actions. So they could have already dealt with the spammer and removed the posts, from Kbin. Those actions don’t get to us on Beehaw and the spammer posts still lives.
One of the major issues is that Kbin does not federate moderator actions
OHHHH! This explains a lot. I had assumed kbin was doing nothing, but they could be removing the posts/accounts, but that doesn’t carry over to us.
Wow, that’s a HUGE drawback to how federation is handled, isn’t it?
Can’t say we’re 100% responsible for the reduced spam lately; but wanted to get your thoughts. Has there been less Kbin spam lately? Do you feel our countermeasures are working well since a few weeks ago?
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It’s a major hole with regards to spam, but in a hypothetical whistleblower scenario it makes it hard for a single entity to silence and remove all evidence.
There are simply trade offs, but it doesn’t mean there isn’t room for improvement.
Given the nature of the internet, I feel that spam is a much bigger problem than a potential whistleblower being silenced, and wouldn’t that kind of action show up in the logs anyways?
As a former admin, I guarantee no one seriously reads those logs outside of happenstance. It takes the users speaking up to warrant that.
The whistleblower can read (or ask someone to read) the logs and find out who silenced them, then whistleblow that/get get whoever did it defederated.
Deleting spam isn’t optional. If you leave it there your community is dead.
Honestly, I’ve been using an alternate account on Mastodon, and until recently, I wasn’t aware that this was such a significant issue on other Lemmy instances until you started to clearly communicate it to me. I’ve temporarily taken a few additional steps to reduce the spam intensity. By the end of September, kbin.social will receive an update that should address the federation issues.
https://kbin.social/m/kbinMeta/t/465872/Spam-from-unmoderated-communities-magazines#entry-comment-2427760
https://kbin.social/m/[email protected]/t/466266/Removed-Kbin-social-communities#entry-comment-2428078i could write a lengthy comment here but to be brief: this is a great example of how a lack of good mod tools can basically ruin everyone’s experience in a federated system. both kbin and lemmy lack them so both become vectors of abuse and sincere users suffer because of it. everyone is worse for the lack of tooling here and it all but necessitates walled gardens or huge numbers of mods.
I’m on kbin and never see spam, ever…
That’s good, but you should see it from the end of federated instances. I can’t possible explain to you how much spam there is coming from kbin.
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Kbin doesn’t federate mod actions. That’s the whole problem.
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