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        Still, misleading title, he’s not proposing a war. Could it potentially lead to war? Yeah but it’s very, very unlikely Mexico would actually declare war on America.

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          What the fuck do you think putting your military into another country uninvited is? What the fuck are you doing quibbling over “potentially” a war or not? What you’re essentially saying here is that you’re ok with it as long if Mexico cowers and doesn’t fight back.

          This is a disgusting level of nationalism. You’re already making excuses for america.

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          The United States is not an arbiter of which Mexicans are to be extrajudicially executed by drone strikes. You’re acting like a coward who’s only too happy the Mexicans are too weak to strike back.

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            Buddy all I’m saying is the title is misleading. I’m obviously against the US bombing Mexican cartels, I just don’t think it’s going to start a war.

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              Yes, you know that the US can do almost anything it wants and that it won’t trigger a war with Mexico. It can sanction thousands or millions to death by starvation and lack of medical supplies. It can bomb people. It can seize and occupy territory if it really wants to. Not because the US wouldn’t be waging war then, but because the Mexicans and the rest of latin america are too weak to fight back. And in knowing this you can then claim that, actually, ‘this is misleading 4/5 pinocchios Ron DeSantis only wants the right to do a little gunboat diplomacy with capital punishment characteristics and that’s not really a war’.

              I’m sure that if China drone bombed someone in New York the Americans would be super chill about it.

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          The US hasn’t declared a war since WW2, they’ve still gone to war. Neither the US nor Libya declared war on each other but it still counts as a war when the US bombs the absolute shit out of a country.

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                Well yeah, you OBJECTIVELY can’t call what happened in Libya a “war”. It was bad and unnecessary, but by definition, not a war… You did not have US troops fighting Libyan troops.

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                  So because the US troops were using weapons the Libyan troops couldn’t effectively fight back against, it doesn’t count as a war?

                  “It wasn’t a battle, it was a just a massacre, so it’s OK”

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                    You’re fighting with the air. I very clearly said Libya wasn’t ok.

                    You’re right, massacres aren’t battles and we shouldn’t call them that. Of course that doesn’t make it any better but why call it a battle if it’s not?

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              Of course, I forgot when you call it something other than war then it’s not a war! That’s why we have the Korean Police Action, the Vietnam Police Action, the Police Actions in Panama and Grenada, Desert Police Action 1 & 2 in Iraq, and the Global Police Action on Terror! None of those were wars, right?

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      So you’d be okay with the Chinese dropping a bomb on a house in your neighbourhood because some right-wing nut was gonna blow up a government building?

      He’s a terrorist, so it’s all good right?

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        I mean, I’m not going to shed any tears over a would-be Timothy McVeigh who probably fantasized about killing leftists like me.

        Now, if they start bombing weddings, then we’ve got a problem. And yeah, the US military did that.

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          At this point you really need to define what a “war” is because all you’re doing is dancing around without having to actually stake any claim to an argument. Instead of getting indignant at people drawing conclusions from what you DO say, make the substance of your opinion known so it can be examined and criticized openly.

          Explain what the difference is between having your military attack another country and a “congress didn’t say it’s a war but it’s really a war”.

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            At this point you really need to define what a “war” is

            “a state of armed conflict between different nations or states or different groups within a nation or state”

            Key word, “between.” You can’t have a war if no one declares war.

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              You can’t have a war if no one declares war

              Are you just fucking with us now? Is this a bit?

              I’ve seen at least one other person gently remind you of the last 70 years of US history. Are you just being a troll at this point?

              I worded my question explicitly so as to make you think about this. Can you please try to?

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              Two states fighting against each other for the other state’s territory or resources is not a war unless they declare war?

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                  Right, but we’re just talking in the abstract. You have a definition of war, I’m asking if there is a conventional war, one state opposing another site, trying to gain the other’s resources or territory - you don’t consider this a war unless both countries explicitly declare war on the other?

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                    you don’t consider this a war unless both countries explicitly declare war on the other?

                    An invasion sure, but not technically a war.

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      I’m sure the regime who drone struck weddings, hospitals, and loves to double-tap to catch civilians coming to help victims in the aftermath can be trusted to only kill “terrorists” (don’t ask what they define as a terrorist)

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      What if i say the us army are terrorists? Then sending ordinance into your country should be fine no. Since i said they are terrorists.

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      Maybe you should worry more about your meth-addled midwest shithole than try to turn socal into a warzone? Jesus christ I wish we could drone strike whatever meth lab you’re posting from.