Because Americans are cowards. Not saying this to mock them but they have grown incredibly lazy over the decades, they are not ready to lose any comfort so they mostly keep quiet.
Pair that with a surveillance state that they have been specifically and repeatedly warned about over last 2 decades - they are fucked.
I wonder how are “I have nothing to hide” and “They are not going to spy on me” geniuses rationalizing it now.
I used to be mocked and laughed at when I tried warning people about what awaits them in the future (never mind that it is also my area of expertise and those people knew it). I don’t give a fuck anymore and they are screaming and posting angry messages on social media expecting someone else will fight for them.
I suppose that’s the end result of brain washing your population with super hero movies.
I think something a lot of people miss is the actual scale of the US as a country. My state is pure blue. My local government is mostly tolerable although not as far left as I’d prefer. Rioting here accomplishes nothing because democrats aren’t in control of the government so we’re just trapped along for the ride.
For me to join a protest with a meaningful impact I would need to travel to Washington D.C… For a west-coast American to actually protest at the capitol of America it would be a similar travel scale to an Irishman traveling to Moscow to protest the EU. That trip alone would cost me ~450 euros before fees and before the cost of any food/shelter. It would require that I leave my job if I stayed for more than a week and because I have no job I can’t pay rent so I must surrender my belongings and uproot my family.
This just isn’t achievable for the average person without your life already having entirely collapsed in the first place. The most any of us out here can realistically do is try to throw money and other forms of support at the problem and hope other states can get their shit together.
Unfortunately the “comforts” are basic life things like medications to live and being able to live in your home.
We aren’t talking about having Netflix. You protest, you miss work, you are fired, you lose your income, no safety net, no healthcare, loans and debts take your home car (very little public transport that works in much of the country) and life away, and you and your entire family are homeless on a street corner and possibly dying. Inside of 2 weeks for a majority of Americans. Even insulin is hard to acquire without “the system”.
The system is set up to keep us busy and living hand to mouth.
Not to mention Fox News and the right wing media exists entirely to lie straight to our faces and fill our brains with culture wars so the average person has no idea which way is up.
Right. I actually completely ignored the fact you guys are literally forced to just think about survival (day to day survival, I suppose for lots of people), you don’t get to plan a revolution 😕
Yeah, it is incredible what has happened. I hope you all find strength.
A lot of people I see on here lambasting Americans for not acting really don’t seem to grasp how hard it is to think about solving systemic problems when your every waking moment is consumed by worrying whether you’ll be able to feed your family today or keep a roof over their head tomorrow. Much of the US lives one or two missed paychecks from destitution. The fact that the standard of living generally is higher than in many countries doesn’t mean your kids are eating dinner tonight, and it certainly doesn’t mean you have leisure time to think about complex ideas like systems of government or equitable tax policy, let alone educate yourself about them. We have few safety nets, our culture actively maligns those who use them, and those in power are actively trying to eliminate them.
A revolution under these conditions will only happen when sufficient masses have lost all access to basic needs.
I get that a lot of people need two jobs, that there is no safety net, that education is expensive, etc.
But let’s not forget that, even though the middle class has been shrinking in the last decades, there is still a significant part of the US population is doing “ok”, people for whom feeding the kids tonight or keeping their house is not always on their mind.
A lot of Republicans elected Trump on the promise that he would release the files. He didn’t, nothing happened, and now he’s openly defying a judgement.
There’s a step function — at some point you’re just trying to survive within the system.
But there comes a point where you literally can’t even survive within the system — and yes that’s a dangerous line to cross. We haven’t crossed that line yet.
You’ve obviously never been poor. Being poor is a lot of extra work, just to stay fed, keep your body and your clothes clean, stay healthy and get to and from work assuming you have a job. For some people, homelessness and then starvation are not all that far away. You want them to do what, spend a few hours holding a sign at a protest, maybe get arrested and lose their job? With time stolen from their sleep while they work 2 jobs? I mean come on.
do you think “holding a sign at a protest” is “taking action?” That’s called “basic participation in democracy.”
People like you are part of the problem.
Am I? I am an old rich white guy who remembers saving up over multiple paychecks to buy a pair of pants to go to an interview for a real job, and had to take a 2 hour busride each way to that job until I could afford a car payment a year later. I still held petitions on street corners in Seattle for medical marijuana, upping the minimum wage, and stopping killing of Palestinians. This was ~ 1995. And look at the results. I was part of a Bosnian refugee program too, that was one of the only things I did that made any difference in our “democracy”. If we weigh 60 years of results against the effort that went into them, its not working well enough and never has. We need to evolve, and yelling at impoverished young adults that they are at fault is not a coherent answer, if you’d just understand the data we already have.
I am. With a social work resume pages long. And you’re just running your mouth about things you dont understand and have no experience in. Cool, cool back at you.
Yeah, fuck off mate with your virtue signaling. You have no idea how many fucking revolutions and civil wars I went through, which is why I know a thing or two about how this shit works.
What is new for you is something other people have been through, some even few times before. Seems like people don’t understand that this is always done pretty much the same way. And they never listen, either.
Kiddo, I was trying to let you know that I don’t give a fuck about you or what you think. I have been through this countless times and over the decades (you see, I am giving you a hint that I am an old fart) I’ve learned that’s it’s better to just ignore dummies. You are right, I have not been through anything, I am just pretend posting because I have a strong need for validation from random fools or bots on what once was an Internet.
WE should be endorsing them. This pretending that violence isn’t the answer to violence, is the problem. We keep giving our abusers a pass, because we don’t want to be “violent”. We keep pretending “two wrongs don’t make a right” but that’s been bullshit since it first came out of someone’s mouth while any form of justice system exists, as violence is needed to apprehend criminals, which literally takes a series of wrongs(Kidnapping, imprisonment, seizure of assets(AKA theft)) to make things right.
Trump needs to be assassinated, as does his minions. We need to stop pretending there are other solutions besides “violence”.
Because Americans are cowards. Not saying this to mock them but they have grown incredibly lazy over the decades, they are not ready to lose any comfort so they mostly keep quiet.
Pair that with a surveillance state that they have been specifically and repeatedly warned about over last 2 decades - they are fucked.
I wonder how are “I have nothing to hide” and “They are not going to spy on me” geniuses rationalizing it now.
I used to be mocked and laughed at when I tried warning people about what awaits them in the future (never mind that it is also my area of expertise and those people knew it). I don’t give a fuck anymore and they are screaming and posting angry messages on social media expecting someone else will fight for them.
I suppose that’s the end result of brain washing your population with super hero movies.
But noone is coming to save them.
I think something a lot of people miss is the actual scale of the US as a country. My state is pure blue. My local government is mostly tolerable although not as far left as I’d prefer. Rioting here accomplishes nothing because democrats aren’t in control of the government so we’re just trapped along for the ride.
For me to join a protest with a meaningful impact I would need to travel to Washington D.C… For a west-coast American to actually protest at the capitol of America it would be a similar travel scale to an Irishman traveling to Moscow to protest the EU. That trip alone would cost me ~450 euros before fees and before the cost of any food/shelter. It would require that I leave my job if I stayed for more than a week and because I have no job I can’t pay rent so I must surrender my belongings and uproot my family.
This just isn’t achievable for the average person without your life already having entirely collapsed in the first place. The most any of us out here can realistically do is try to throw money and other forms of support at the problem and hope other states can get their shit together.
Unfortunately the “comforts” are basic life things like medications to live and being able to live in your home.
We aren’t talking about having Netflix. You protest, you miss work, you are fired, you lose your income, no safety net, no healthcare, loans and debts take your home car (very little public transport that works in much of the country) and life away, and you and your entire family are homeless on a street corner and possibly dying. Inside of 2 weeks for a majority of Americans. Even insulin is hard to acquire without “the system”.
The system is set up to keep us busy and living hand to mouth.
Not to mention Fox News and the right wing media exists entirely to lie straight to our faces and fill our brains with culture wars so the average person has no idea which way is up.
Right. I actually completely ignored the fact you guys are literally forced to just think about survival (day to day survival, I suppose for lots of people), you don’t get to plan a revolution 😕
Yeah, it is incredible what has happened. I hope you all find strength.
A lot of people I see on here lambasting Americans for not acting really don’t seem to grasp how hard it is to think about solving systemic problems when your every waking moment is consumed by worrying whether you’ll be able to feed your family today or keep a roof over their head tomorrow. Much of the US lives one or two missed paychecks from destitution. The fact that the standard of living generally is higher than in many countries doesn’t mean your kids are eating dinner tonight, and it certainly doesn’t mean you have leisure time to think about complex ideas like systems of government or equitable tax policy, let alone educate yourself about them. We have few safety nets, our culture actively maligns those who use them, and those in power are actively trying to eliminate them.
A revolution under these conditions will only happen when sufficient masses have lost all access to basic needs.
I get that a lot of people need two jobs, that there is no safety net, that education is expensive, etc.
But let’s not forget that, even though the middle class has been shrinking in the last decades, there is still a significant part of the US population is doing “ok”, people for whom feeding the kids tonight or keeping their house is not always on their mind.
A lot of Republicans elected Trump on the promise that he would release the files. He didn’t, nothing happened, and now he’s openly defying a judgement.
Apathy is a real problem.
I wouldn’t rule out owners being fine with the military mowing down US civilians with machine guns
It wouldn’t be the first time.
People living hand to mouth have even FEWER excuses for not taking action
There’s a step function — at some point you’re just trying to survive within the system.
But there comes a point where you literally can’t even survive within the system — and yes that’s a dangerous line to cross. We haven’t crossed that line yet.
You’ve obviously never been poor. Being poor is a lot of extra work, just to stay fed, keep your body and your clothes clean, stay healthy and get to and from work assuming you have a job. For some people, homelessness and then starvation are not all that far away. You want them to do what, spend a few hours holding a sign at a protest, maybe get arrested and lose their job? With time stolen from their sleep while they work 2 jobs? I mean come on.
Wait, do you think “holding a sign at a protest” is “taking action?” That’s called “basic participation in democracy.”
Jesus Christ. Somehow I continue to be surprised every day by how fucked your country actually is. People like you are part of the problem.
Am I? I am an old rich white guy who remembers saving up over multiple paychecks to buy a pair of pants to go to an interview for a real job, and had to take a 2 hour busride each way to that job until I could afford a car payment a year later. I still held petitions on street corners in Seattle for medical marijuana, upping the minimum wage, and stopping killing of Palestinians. This was ~ 1995. And look at the results. I was part of a Bosnian refugee program too, that was one of the only things I did that made any difference in our “democracy”. If we weigh 60 years of results against the effort that went into them, its not working well enough and never has. We need to evolve, and yelling at impoverished young adults that they are at fault is not a coherent answer, if you’d just understand the data we already have.
You’re an old rich white liberal wondering if you’re part of the problem? Cool, cool.
I am. With a social work resume pages long. And you’re just running your mouth about things you dont understand and have no experience in. Cool, cool back at you.
A condescending, virtue signaling old rich white liberal, even. Yeah, tracks.
Was Renee a coward?
How about Alex?
Sit down and stop making a fool of yourself. You don’t know anything about what’s going on, and you shouldn’t be generalizing.
Yeah, fuck off mate with your virtue signaling. You have no idea how many fucking revolutions and civil wars I went through, which is why I know a thing or two about how this shit works.
What is new for you is something other people have been through, some even few times before. Seems like people don’t understand that this is always done pretty much the same way. And they never listen, either.
But hey, keep posting, that will help 👍
Or just fuck off. I don’t care either way.
I know how many fucking revolutions and civil wars you’ve been through, zero.
Oh no! You’ll tell me to fuck off. Whatever will I do? So powerful. I’m scared!
Kiddo, I was trying to let you know that I don’t give a fuck about you or what you think. I have been through this countless times and over the decades (you see, I am giving you a hint that I am an old fart) I’ve learned that’s it’s better to just ignore dummies. You are right, I have not been through anything, I am just pretend posting because I have a strong need for validation from random fools or bots on what once was an Internet.
Never stop posting 👍
Comfortable enough to not be a hair’s-breadth near death every day of your life, apparently. Try America brah. It is wild.
Don’t flout your success at being old. We don’t have that luxury.
You don’t give a fuck about Americans? Never would have guessed…
American here.
What should I be brave enough to do individually, specifically (I live paycheck to paycheck).
How many assassination atte.pts have been made? Lol
Not endorsing them but seriously.
WE should be endorsing them. This pretending that violence isn’t the answer to violence, is the problem. We keep giving our abusers a pass, because we don’t want to be “violent”. We keep pretending “two wrongs don’t make a right” but that’s been bullshit since it first came out of someone’s mouth while any form of justice system exists, as violence is needed to apprehend criminals, which literally takes a series of wrongs(Kidnapping, imprisonment, seizure of assets(AKA theft)) to make things right.
Trump needs to be assassinated, as does his minions. We need to stop pretending there are other solutions besides “violence”.
Every time someone calls USA cowards, they leave out their own country for some reason.
Because they’re so brave! So very, very brave, that they can’t even have their own nation criticized. Truly heroic!