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Lemmynated@lemmy.zip to Technology@lemmy.zipEnglish · 3 days ago

Google will now verify if you're a human by turning on your webcam and asking you to wave your hand

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Google will now verify if you're a human by turning on your webcam and asking you to wave your hand

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    So can I just use the OBS virtual camera with a video of somebody waving

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    https://github.com/hacksider/Deep-Live-Cam

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    Fuck that

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    Fuck you, Google.

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      Oh I’m gonna wave some stuff at them.

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    Absolutely not. Go fuck yourselves. There’s not a person in the world who I would do this for.

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      Came to say this. I’m not uploading my ID so I can check my emails. I’m not turning on a camera so I can log into a website.

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    Jokes on them, I have no webcam.

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      Me either…

      But you do have a cellphone with camera and mic

  • dudesss@lemmy.ca
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    Even more reason to DeGoogle your computers

    • https://f-droid.org/packages/dev.clombardo.dnsnet/
    • https://grapheneos.org/ * https://postmarketos.org/
    • https://www.fairphone.com/ * https://commerce.jolla.com/products/jolla-phone-preorder
    • https://librewolf.net/ * https://www.waterfox.com/
    • https://codeberg.org/ironfox-oss/IronFox * https://f-droid.org/packages/org.mozilla.fennec_fdroid/
    • https://www.ecosia.org/ * https://qwant.com/ * https://searxng.org/
    • https://immich.app/ * https://nextcloud.com/
    • https://www.comaps.app/ + https://f-droid.org/packages/com.github.olga_yakovleva.rhvoice.android/
    • https://signal.org/ * https://element.io/en
    • https://chat.mistral.ai/chat
    • https://bitwarden.com/ * https://joplinapp.org/
    • https://www.qobuz.com/
    • https://f-droid.org/packages/eu.faircode.email/ * https://f-droid.org/packages/com.fsck.k9/
    • https://tuta.com/secure-email
    • UniversalBasicJustice@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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      degoogle for privacy

      still use AI chatbot

      Bruh

      • P03 Locke@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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        I generally favor local LLM usage, but I will sometimes use Kagi’s assistant tools. I trust them to throw out my data a fuckton more than I do Google.

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          A locally run LLM is a different story, one that I’m slightly more open to, but “trusting” any corp is how we got here. To me degoogling isn’t just about moving away from Google but about removing myself from any nonessential service and limiting the data I share with essential services.

          I also just plain don’t know what I’d use any LLM for.

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            I also just plain don’t know what I’d use any LLM for.

            PewDiePie has been on a tear lately with recommending everybody switch to Linux and recently experimenting with LLMs. He put out a legit good local LLM project that showcases the different kinds of things you can do with a model.

            My biggest LLM use cases have been:

            • A replacement for search, since you typically need multiple searches and multiple sources to get the information you need
            • Code generation, because it’s so good at producing entire fully-featured utilities or just let it spin away at implementing some new functionality
            • Helping me out with some random Linux error or difficulty, because support forums are fucking garbage
            • UniversalBasicJustice@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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              I think needing multiple searches and sources is a good thing, personally. Yes it takes more time and effort but it reinforces research skills. Performing the search yourself provides an opportunity to critically evaluate the information you’re finding and, if applicable, take into account any bias a source may have.

              Can’t comment on code generation.

              I suppose it depends on the Linux difficulty but reading through documentation and ArchWiki typically gets me enough info to make a more informed/refined search. You’re also likely to stumble across information you’ll want to know rather than just find an answer to the question you’re asking.

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                Your responses are the equivalent of “I don’t use the internet, because nothing beats the experience of walking to your library and looking through the research material yourself”.

                Sure, I can do all of those things. But, sometimes I don’t want to spend hours going through the searches, bang my head against the wall with useless tech forums, and get frustrated with shifting through the results. The LLM can get it done in a minute or two, and I can still ask follow-up questions if I don’t trust anything, or want clarification.

                And yes, like Wikipedia, I still review the sources and review the code.

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                  No, my responses are literally “AI answers, legwork teaches.” If you don’t understand or appreciate that difference you are doing yourself a disservice.

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        I think such an all-or-nothing mindset is exactly why people are staying on megacorp services. Besides, Mistral is much more transparent about its data collection, unlike Google, which makes you disable all chat history if you want to prevent training on your inputs.

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          What is your use case for LLMs?

          My mindset is all-or-nothing because I have yet to find a use for LLMs. Enlighten me, please.

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            Reducing the user’s cognitive abilities seems to be the main use of LLMs so far.

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            AI chats are pretty good for finding leads on unknown unknowns when researching something new. Maybe it’s just because of how much worse search engines are now but theyre also pretty good for troubleshooting when you don’t have good keywords to narrow down the search effectively.

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          All-or-nothing mindset people usually do not comment because they want to be helpful. They are a nuisance.

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            What do you use AI for?

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              To block trolls on the internet.

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                I’m genuinely engaging with the other comments but go off.

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    Don’t have a webcam on my desktop (main PC) and I have no intention of getting one.

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      Don’t worry, it will ask you to scan a QR code to complete the verification on your phone.

      • thousandyardstare@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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        Drink verification can

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        No phone. Now what?

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        I always buy the cheapest phone and usually they dont have built in qr code scanner. My current phone doesnt. And no, im not downloading some shitty feature-stuffed adware app just to scan qr codes

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          There hasn’t been a need for a dedicated QR code scanning application on Android or iOS for years now, it’s just a feature of the camera application.

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          Slightly off topic, but if you need a QR code scanner there are really good open source ones available on F-Droid. Such is SecScanQR which I have been using for quite a while.

          If you need a utility app chances are an open source one already exists. Avoid crapware from the Play Store.

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        Jokes aside don’t give them ideas

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          They already do this

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            Yeah and they enroll any phone against your will too. Last month google randomly decided an android VM I spun up for like ten minutes then deleted was my primary device and wanted me to use it to log in.

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        That made me chuckle

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    I have a Mac, so it has things like WiFi and Bluetooth that most Wintel boxes don’t tend to have. (I used to build PCs. I know those motherboards exist, and what it costs over base to get those features. So I know they exist and why they’re not common.) What it does not have is a camera. My MacBook has one, but any site that wants to use it needs to ask permission first. When I say no, it does not see the camera. It’s not saying “I see camera, can I use it” it’s asking “can I use camera?” An answer of no returns the message “no camera.”

    I suspect it’s the same with all platforms. Meaning anyone who wants this can use it and the rest of us will just default to identifying sidewalks to train the cars.

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    Uh yeah, it most certainly will not.

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    It can try, but I’m not doing that. I will stop using everything that requires it.

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      Yep. If the web requires ID to do anything I will only use it for banking and shit I already give my ID to. For everything else I’ll just pirate, or use tor/I2P until they lock me up.

      All these fascist criminal pedophiles that want to control us can suck a big fat bag of dicks.

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        Yep. We’ll make our own internet. And it won’t have recaptcha

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    Privacy nightmare aside, is it just me or does this sound a lot less secure than the find the bus bullshit they do now? Seems like it would be much easier for a bot to generate a realistic looking hand wave than interpret increasingly obscure photo puzzles.

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      Well right. But they can’t collect your photo and other data that way.

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    “Google has added Hand gesture verification functionality to reCAPTCHA”

    This title is clickbait, if we want Lemmy to be a competitor to Reddit we need to be better moderated than they are, not worse. Please report this post and OP to your instance admins.

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      Imagine actually believing that they don’t retain footage. Were you born yesterday?

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        Report this comment too. We can’t let Lemmy get overrun with clickbait spam or it will get worse here than reddit.

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          Remember when Google told us that they didn’t keep/listen to the recordings from their smart speakers, then we found out that was a complete fucking lie?

          https://www.vrt.be/vrtnws/en/2019/07/10/google-employees-are-eavesdropping-even-in-flemish-living-rooms/

          https://www.securitymagazine.com/articles/93043-google-admits-its-home-speakers-recorded-at-all-times

          https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2019/07/11/google-home-smart-speakers-employees-listen-conversations/1702205001/

          So yeah no, fuck that.

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            Just because google sucks it doesn’t mean you should upvote clickbait and spam

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              HOW IS IT CLICKBAIT OR SPAM

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            Don’t worry!! They said it again in the article OP posted, so we know we have nothing to worry about:

            The videos are never associated with a user’s identity and are deleted after the verification process. Audio is never recorded.

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              Yeah exactly.

              Fool me once… Though I guess they didn’t really even fool me the first time as I just assumed it’s what they were doing with the smart speakers from the get go

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    Sounds like one of these things that people are scared is going to happen but will never actually happen

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      you haven’t been paying attention

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    So what’s stopping me from using OBS as a virtual camera and feeding it a stream of stock footage of someone waving their hand?

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      [relevant xkcd]

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