Hey guys, so I have been searching for the different ways to self-host a music-server and don’t really know whats the best/most elegant way to go.
I know that there is navidrome and many also use jellyfin for it. Now I have a few questions:
- Are there any good apps for android for navidrome/jellyfin respectively?
- how easy can I add songs to them/do they pull metadata from somewhere (like jellyfin does for movies)
- how do they (or any other options) compare in terms of ease of setup/maintainability?
- do you have any overall recommendations?
Thanks a lot for any tips/recommendations and your help :D
My recent improved flow is:
- Put my new music in a ‘import’ folder
- Run a beets container and tell it to import from the ‘import’ folder to my ‘music’ folder (beets tags all music with prompts before moving to my final music folder ofc).
- Jellyfin (which already has a music library set up and pointing to my ‘music’ folder) automatically refreshes after a few seconds.
- Listen and enjoy through jellyfin app/site OR through finamp (on android).
The best part is you can rip your music into the ‘import’ folder, or torrent, or get it direct from youtube. Thanks to the modularity provided with this setup, it doesn’t matter.
Tempus is phenomenal. I switched to navidrome on my server to use it. Chora is also good, and I use it on my TV (works well on any screen). If you don’t mind closed-source, Symphonum is excellent.
If you are using Jellyfin, it works well on PC, with Fintunes on mobile.
You can find a number of good apps for navidrome here. I quite like Strawberry, which is cross-platform. I use it locally for library management.
I connect everything with Tailscale, which is dead simple.
Thanks for the Chora recommendation, I recently pushed the Tempus apk to my tv as the dev has been working on better landscape screen support, but navigating it on tv still requires a mouse unfortunately.
I’ll definitely give Chora a try when I get home
Are you me? Cause I have exactly the same setup. Navidrome, tailscale, the whole thing. I also use strawberry. It’s OK but a bit basic. I recently tried Nocturne for desktop, looks promising, but still somewhat buggy.
Navidrome works best with a library that is already well-organized, but it can do some things in terms of library management, particularly with the use if plugins.
There are some good tools for organizing your library, such as beets, Picard, etc. I did not have good luck with beets because I find it a bit complex for a CLI tool, and a lot of my library is composed of singles and mixes. It seems to do better with whole albums. I use Strawberry player for local library management, which has tools like Picard built in, and also connects to lots of things like lastfm if you want. You can also add lyrics with a tool like lrcget.
If you have existing playlist files saved, Navidrome will automatically import them. It can also make new playlists, and there are plugins for smart playlists, etc. Once you set up Navadrome, you shouldn’t have to touch it very much because it will automatically monitor and update your library if you set it up correctly, which is not difficult at all. It’s a little bit more specialized and so has a little bit better setup for music than Jellyfin, in my opinion. And it has far more front-ends on various platforms. I do use Jellyfin for all of my TV and movies, though.
Imo the best app for Jellyfin i Finamp, make sure to use the beta release for the updated UI and general huge improvements. It’s been in the works for a while and works great as a daily driver.
Jellyfin can use a bunch of sources to get metadata for music, some by default others by installing a plugin, but it’s much more hit-and-miss than movies or series. That’s just due to how much more music there is and how relatively worse metadata for music generally is.
Personally, I add a few albums at a time and make sure the metadata is correct using kid3.Maintainability is probably similar between the two options. Jellyfin obviously can handle other media as well so if you need something to watch movies that would result in less maintenance needed overall.
I used to run Navidrome for a bit, but soon after the Finamp beta started so I didn’t feel the need to go with the broader app selection of Subsonic.
For using navidrome on android I use the tempus client. Which is a fork of the now dead tempo client.
Are there any good apps for android for navidrome/jellyfin respectively?
Symfonium is paid but by far the best i tried. Will work with both via subsonic api.
how easy can I add songs to them/do they pull metadata from somewhere (like jellyfin does for movies)
I use navidrome and can’t speak to jellyfin. Navidrome is intentionally read-only for security reasons so you add music to where navidrome can see it and it’ll auto-scan them in. For metadata my recommendation is musicbrainz picard. A lot of people recommend beets and it can be good but it’s a big learning curve. Musicbrainz picard has a nice gui and easier to get music matched for beginners.
how do they (or any other options) compare in terms of ease of setup/maintainability?
From what i see people use jellyfin because they don’t want “yet another container” and most people already have jellyfin for other media content. So that would be easiest route. Navidrome isn’t hard to set up though, and overall has a better feel for me.
do you have any overall recommendations?
Look into LRCGET to get the timesynced and/or plaintext lyrics of your songs. There’s also a navidrome plugin that will automatically fetch the lyrics when a song is played
Edit: for desktop id recommend feishin. It’ll work with both through subsonic api
- Navidrome on the server
- Feishin around the house
- Substreamer on the mobile
Navidrome/Feishin
For a navidrome Android client, I use Symfonium, but it’s a paid Play Store exclusive. If you want FOSS, I’ve tried Tempus and it seems fine, the only reason I don’t use it is because I already paid for Symfonium
I use slskd (docker container for soulseek) to download music and Lidarr to automatically move it to an organized folder structure. Lidarr doesn’t natively connect to slskd, so you have to use an extension (which I forget the name of atm) to get them to work together. No part of this assumes that music has any metadata or that you want it, but Lidarr can be setup to automatically retag imported downloads with metadata from musicbrainz. I don’t do this, I prefer manually retagging with Picard
I don’t know what your experience with self hosting is, but I will say that I don’t think setting up a navidrome server is any more difficult than setting up a jellyfin server for shows and movies. Maintainability is pretty easy, just make sure that everything is updated every once in a while and you should be fine
I really like jellyfin with finamp on android but I don’t have any really specific requirements. It just acts like an old media player and works really well
You should try the beta, if you haven’t yet!
I personally use Navidrome, so everything I suggest will be based around you using that as well, however Jellyfin is probably a good option too.
Navidrome has been incredibly simple, and there are numerous great options on android for player apps. Metadata can come with the music as you get it, or you can use tools like beets or musicbrainz Picard to tag them in bulk. Navidrome has been set-and-forget for me, as I’ve set the download folder for slskd (self hosted version of soulseek) to be the library folder for Navidrome.
I use Navidrome, and have set up Lidarr to feed it if I’m feeling a little hook-handed, if you get my meaning. Lidarr was a bit of a bollocks to set up, but once it’s running it’s pretty neat. I access it via Tailscale so can add stuff to the library wherever I am.
As for accessing it: again, I use Tailscale to run it through a reverse proxy on my website, so I connect to it using a subdomain. But as long as I’ve got Tailscale active on my phone, I could always access it that way. As others have suggested, I use Symfonium on my phone, and I use Feishin on everything else.
It all works pretty well, to the point that I don’t really use Apple Music anymore.
You could look into music assistant that runs on home assistant.
On the client side, tempus is the best Android app I’ve found for interacting with a navidrome server.
do you have any overall recommendations?
Go to a Hifi shop and buy a separate amp and speakers. It’ll do more for your enjoyment of the music than anything else.
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