The Government of Canada is hammering down on its stance against the use of cluster munitions following the U.S. decision to send the controversial weapon to Ukraine.
I think Ryan McBeth on his YT channel said the real reason for it.
The cluster munition aren’t that useful for trenches and not useful for offensive when there’s even a small dud rate (it’s not 40% like with Russian cluster bombs, but 2% adds up if you would fire it many times) and you don’t want your own soldiers to be blown up by own munition when they advance.
But, if you take the missile, open it up, you get 88 bombs, that can penetrate 4cm of steel. Strap them to a drone and they can be quite scary. Also since they are fired individually, they don’t hit each other when falling down which is the primary reason for duds.
No, the answer is that the US needs to stay the fuck out of it. It’s not our war. It’s not our fight. It has nothing to do with us. As much as the US likes to act like it, we’re not World Police. We shouldn’t be sending anything, much less munitions that are rightly banned my most of the rest of the world
I think you will find that the liberal-capitalist world order with some semblance of norms like national self determination and resistance to overt nationalistic annexation does benefit the US.
Note that I’m not saying I like this world order, or the US politic. But your assertion looks false to my eyes. Even if there was no moral issue of enabling Ukrainian self defense because Ukrainian self defense is a moral good, the USA benefits from preventing authoritarian regimes from using military force to swallow up their neighbors. And so do the European countries.
Take some time to think about whether these are positive contributions you’re making, or if you’re just being argumentative. You’re also not approaching my argument with good faith.
Actually it does, Ukraine literally asked United States for assistance, as well as applying for NATO membership. Additionally, the US offered verbal security agreements during the dissolution of the Soviet Union which Russia is currently egregiously breaking.
And there’s the fact that we have a fascist country engaged in a year long land war in Europe, which threatens to stabilize all of Europe and drag us into a world war. That is Putin‘s decision solely his decision.
United States countries to ask for help and they did.
It’s not our war. It’s not our fight. It has nothing to do with us.
That’s where you’re wrong. America has a global empire, and Russia is one of the other powers trying to undermine and dismantle it. If America wants to keep its empire and the many benefits it brings, it has no choice but to defend it. Be thankful you’re only having to spend money while someone else is spending lives.
I wish that countries that are condemning cluster munitions actually send non-cluster munitions to Ukraine.
US isn’t doing this because they want to, but because there are no other ammo left and ammo production is still ramping up.
I think Ryan McBeth on his YT channel said the real reason for it.
The cluster munition aren’t that useful for trenches and not useful for offensive when there’s even a small dud rate (it’s not 40% like with Russian cluster bombs, but 2% adds up if you would fire it many times) and you don’t want your own soldiers to be blown up by own munition when they advance.
But, if you take the missile, open it up, you get 88 bombs, that can penetrate 4cm of steel. Strap them to a drone and they can be quite scary. Also since they are fired individually, they don’t hit each other when falling down which is the primary reason for duds.
No, the answer is that the US needs to stay the fuck out of it. It’s not our war. It’s not our fight. It has nothing to do with us. As much as the US likes to act like it, we’re not World Police. We shouldn’t be sending anything, much less munitions that are rightly banned my most of the rest of the world
I think you will find that the liberal-capitalist world order with some semblance of norms like national self determination and resistance to overt nationalistic annexation does benefit the US.
Note that I’m not saying I like this world order, or the US politic. But your assertion looks false to my eyes. Even if there was no moral issue of enabling Ukrainian self defense because Ukrainian self defense is a moral good, the USA benefits from preventing authoritarian regimes from using military force to swallow up their neighbors. And so do the European countries.
This is just imperial apologia
Take some time to think about whether these are positive contributions you’re making, or if you’re just being argumentative. You’re also not approaching my argument with good faith.
Actually it does, Ukraine literally asked United States for assistance, as well as applying for NATO membership. Additionally, the US offered verbal security agreements during the dissolution of the Soviet Union which Russia is currently egregiously breaking.
And there’s the fact that we have a fascist country engaged in a year long land war in Europe, which threatens to stabilize all of Europe and drag us into a world war. That is Putin‘s decision solely his decision.
United States countries to ask for help and they did.
That’s where you’re wrong. America has a global empire, and Russia is one of the other powers trying to undermine and dismantle it. If America wants to keep its empire and the many benefits it brings, it has no choice but to defend it. Be thankful you’re only having to spend money while someone else is spending lives.
So because the US is an empire, we’re just supposed to go along with it and accept anything it decides to do?
The US didn’t decide to start this war, but it still has to fight it or it’s going to lose it.
This is an absolute boon for the US, lol. We’re not playing world police we’re getting billions of dollars worth of military-industrial complex R&D.
RIDF begone
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