• MrMobius @sh.itjust.works
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    10 days ago

    Ok I’m gonna play devil’s advocate for the tankies. China made concentration camps for Uyhgurs and planned a cultural genocide by forcing many of them to marry Han Chinese people. BUT there’s cheap housing and renewables are widespread all over the country. You win some, you lose some am I right?

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      10 days ago

      Just gotta sacrifice minorities to the minority crushing machine, and all will be well. Surely nothing bad will happen once we run out of minorities.

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      10 days ago

      I imagine no government is all bad to everyone. China has had a tremendous amount of success in improving the lives of the average citizen, but we shouldn’t gloss over criticism purely on that basis.

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        10 days ago

        China vs US is like Democrat vs Republican. Like yeah, if you are both going to spy on me, shred human rights, throw people in concentration camps, force me into wage slavery, censor my voice, invade other countries, and on and on, I’d prefer to go with the one who also gives me housing, clean water, usable roads, healthcare, and a modicum of decency.

        But it would be great to get those benefits and not have the horror show behind it.

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            10 days ago

            We live in different Americas.

            The mobile execution van, for me and many people in America, fits in the same category as above. “At least I would get healthcare and roads and a place to live.”

            In fact, I think the vans in China specifically are better than the American execution squads. At least in China they are publicly named for the purpose and there is a public trial.

            In America you never know if this one today is going to execute you or not, and if they do it’s without arrest or trial. It’s just some unaccountable badge who’s pissed off and can’t get to his wife to take it out on because he’s at work.

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              Which part of America do you live in, exactly? Because I looked out the window and there’s no roving bands of murder cops deciding who’s going to get blown away that day.
              I mean yes you do see a lot of stuff on the news about cops shooting people for no reason (ACAB,) the last thing I’m going to do is defend the police. But there’s a big difference between a cop shooting someone for a reason which may or may not be justified, and the state sending a van to your house to kill you. Those two things are not the same, and in no univese is the van better than the alternative.

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                9 days ago

                Not the one you live in. Clearly. It’s closer to me than “a lot of stuff on the news” so I can’t be so flippant about it. But, I can understand how if they’re both just distant cries because the cops don’t target you, you fear the one that has been yelled at you more in the news.

                Edit: just out of curiosity I wanted to see the percentage of the population executed by China in a year. It’s .00017143%

                Cops in America kill .00038421% of the population every year. That’s more than twice as many. Ice disappeared 4,000 people this last year, before they changed how it was recorded on their website so we couldn’t track them like that anymore. That’s .00104167%, a whole order of magnitude more than China.

                Again, clearly it doesn’t involve you, so I’m sure you don’t care, but there’s the facts.

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                  In real life China accounts for an estimated 50% to 70% of all executions in the entire world. It’s estimated because the actual number is not known, because China treats the number of people executed as a state secret. But it’s not disputed that China executes more people than all of the other countries in the world combined.
                  in 2022, it’s estimated China executed 8,000 people.
                  In 2022, there were 1,176 police shooting deaths in the United States.
                  So yeah, those are the actual facts

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                    Why compare raw numbers when China has over 4x the population? I mean, we know why you’re doing it, but will you say so?

                    Anyway, 2022 was before the pedophile Nazis fucked the rails off the American system. Now compare numbers for 2025 for both countries and count every police street execution, and every human “missing” from ice custody. And use a third party for those numbers, don’t trust America’s reporting of it. Just like with China.

                    Also, as an aside, I’d like to point out that China executes billionaires and corrupt party officials. Can you name a single billionaire or wealthy person or lifetime politician in America who has been executed? Can you name one who served 10 years in prison? How about 4 years? How about 2 years? In this decade? In your lifetime?

                    The fact that anyone could look around at the pedonazifucks running America and having innocent teachers and nurses executed in the street without provocation or trial, and say bbbbb Choinah bad! Is crazy, and really points to the severity of the split between the type of Americans protected and served by this system, and the type of Americans crushed and destroyed by it.

                    In real life.