Coming from a world where the word itself is not even widely know, the idea of being raised as child without any explanations about the world or comforts to be held, scares me. I always heard on the internet of people leaving their religion as teenagers when they were raised by their parents religiously. Lots of people fall into existentialism, which makes sense to me
But what of a child. I am a very anxious person(as i have come to accept). Being told that there is nothing after death or that no one really knows, would have send me spiraling. That said, logically, people have done it(even if i can’t picture it) so i am also wondering how people/parents grappled with this and struggles they faced, what solutions they come up with
Also, on the opposite of the spectrum, what happens when your child converts(?) to a religion. Yes its there choice and all, but i cant imagine there being no resentment or conflicted feeling
Sorry for the meta, but why is everyone downvoting what appears to be a sincere question coming from someone in a culture where religion predominates?
I agree with most of the replies here, but don’t understand the downvotes to asking the question.
don’t understand the downvotes to asking the question
You and me both.
It was just a question that bothered me for a while. At times, Lemmy(and reddit more so) feel like you will hit a never without even knowing what it is.
With logic and rational thinking instead of fear and magical thinking.
Maybe you grew up with so much anxiety due to religion itself? I’m the opposite, I live in an area which has almost no religious people and I feel everybody is very calm and friendly. Maybe the idea of eternal hell or heaven might be triggering that unconsciously in you
Yeah, I feel like Christians make a big deal out of life vs. death. Life is declared this super great thing that was gifted to them by their god. And death is described like an eternal departure into the unknown.
Meanwhile, if you view things in a much more mundane way, life is just your atoms jiggling about. It’s not particularly bad, when they stop jiggling together.
But even if you do prefer them being part of a pile that’s deemed ‘alive’, your left toe is probably gonna get eaten by a worm and brought into a field, where a plant will pick up the atoms and grow some seeds, which get carried by a bird into the next forest and so on. Your atoms will almost certainly be part of many alive piles of atoms going forward.I was talking to a born-again about faith and she’s so worried about the people around her making a mistake and going to hell. And not in the evangelical sense of shouting about her Bible, but just an innate fear of bad things happening to her loved ones in the afterlife.
without any explanations about the world or comforts to be held
Neither of these require religion.
I find more comfort in the real and tangible human experience. Most of us are caring and social creatures if we let ourselves be.
I think that framework encourages people to become compassionate and kind because they know it’s all we have.
At its best, religion adds a layer of coping which is not based in any reality. At its worst, it sets people on a path for alienation and seeing themselves and/or others as less than human (depending on the neuroses and likely trauma).
Dealing with no easy answers throughout your life can bring you to many existential questions and even depression at times but, as long as you have the strength/support/self care to keep and adapt your sense of self, you will be stronger for that introspection.
I choose growth.
…the idea of being raised as child without any explanations about the world or comforts to be held, scares me.
Your understanding of atheism is uhh, questionable.
To answer this question, the world was explained through science. Carl Sagan was the shit back then. Comforts are more tangible things like family or food rather than an imaginary “after”.
As somebody who grew up without religion: I never really cared about all the metaphysical stuff. I was always interested in learning new things and wanted to understand how the world works. Yet that stuff never even brushed my mind to my knowledge. Maybe I asked my parents when I was smaller which I can’t remember anymore, but I definitely didn’t get anxiety over it. I accepted what I saw with my own eyes, that was enough for me. I don’t need something else besides this world.
And regarding their child converting: a cousins child is raised atheist and in elementary school got interested in Christianity since most of their class mates went to church. So the child asked the parents, they said: innour opinion there is nothing, but if you are interested, feel free to go to church to learn about their explanation. So that’s what they did and last I met the child, they weren’t a bible thumbed but still went to their religion class, so the result is not yet in.
There is actually no need to talk to children about gods. Those questions you imply only religion could answers usually don’t pop up in a childrens world except when brought in from external sources.
Well put. Religion’s answers may even stifle the child’s own inquisitive thought.
I have found that children don’t need lies to comfort them. By nature, children are curious and crave understanding. It’s important for parents to respect that and equip them both with what we already know, and the skills to keep exploring. Engage with them, help them understand the questions, feed their innate sense of wonder. Eventually they’ll teach you a thing or two.
I find no comfort in implausible lies, and I feel a need to help my kids avoid that discomfort. I also want them to have agency in life, so they need to understand how such lies are used by society to try and control them.
What would I tell a kid they must adore a guy who would burn entire cities and shit? I’d rather teach the kid tolerance.
are you saying “god” is a good explanation for the world?
why not tell them the truth? we dont know everything. when we die, unexplainable. thats literally just fact. you might have spiralled but it sounds like youre religious. so that isnt surprising.
But telling them about a god and eternal hellfire if you sin? thats the worst lie you could say
Sounds like you have difficulties of your own that you may want work on before concerning yourself with others.
You can’t help another sailboat of your own boat isn’t stable.
I highly recommend some Cognitive Behavioural Therapy - recognizing your own anxiety shows you at least have that awareness. Learning to reframe it will go a long way.
Going through life “as an anxious person” as if that’s unchangeable, is no way to live.
As someone with gad. Cbt was so helpful
(Raised Catholic)
Interesting, raised with the idea of eternal existence was a terror to me. Obviously eternal hell was an awful idea, but even an eternity in heaven too. Thinking of never-ending subservience to a god that rained down horrors and demanded his followers do terrible things, it didn’t make me feel any better when I was told my imperfect human brain couldn’t comprehend the actions of a “perfect” deity. So getting to heaven meant my mind would have to so fundamentally change to be happy with this god that I would no longer be Me. That was the existential horror to me and it was a great relief to deconstruct in my teens years.
“the idea of being raised as child without any explanations about the world or comforts to be held, scares me.”
What a strange thing to say. What makes you think atheists do this? I tell my children what we know about the world, and what we don’t yet know. No need to make up anything short of Santa and the Tooth Fairy, but they grow out of this fast.
“Also, on the opposite of the spectrum, what happens when your child converts(?)”
I can only speak for myself, not atheists, but my kids are encouraged to make up their own minds. I take every opportunity to discuss religion and my kids even go to a catholic school. I consider it essential to understand history art and culture.
That said, they are very comfortable with atheism and they don’t find any of religion comforting, quite the opposite. It’s disturbing to them.
I just never told them any of those fairy tales. Occasionally, they would ask about something that Grandma taught them at her church, and I would usually say “Well, some people believe that…” and tell them what the mythology is. I wouldn’t argue with it, or ridicule it, but if they asked about my opinion on it, I would explain to them why I didn’t believe it.
I’d have no problem with them deciding to join a church, as long as it wasn’t an especially dangerous cult.
Coming from a world where the word itself is not even widely know, the idea of being raised as child without any explanations about the world or comforts to be held, scares me.
I would rather teach a child the truth about the world than try and feed them some bullshit about a magic man in the sky that wants them to worship him.
I always heard on the internet of people leaving their religion as teenagers when they were raised by their parents religiously.
Raising your kids religiously is effectively child abuse
But what of a child. I am a very anxious person(as i have come to accept). Being told that there is nothing after death or that no one really knows, would have send me spiraling.
I mean, it sounds like you needed psychiatric help, not religion.
That said, logically, people have done it(even if i can’t picture it) so i am also wondering how people/parents grappled with this and struggles they faced, what solutions they come up with
My parents didnt raise me religious, they said it was way easier than trying to be religious.
When I asked questions, they either found actual data, or they told me they didnt know the answer.
When I babysit for my cousins, I give them real answers when I can, or I tell them that I don’t know the answer. Sometimes they ask really stupid questions, and that’s fine, the key is to take the question seriously. Its also ok to briefly cover things that are too complex for them, when they ask why do people need to breath, I tell them that we need oxygen, I dont try to explain how cellular respiration works.
Also, on the opposite of the spectrum, what happens when your child converts(?) to a religion.
Statistically unlikely, but hypothetically possible. Generally, I don’t really care what somebody believes privately, id be disappointed that they went for psuedoscience and hatred, but that’s their decision.










