Article leaves out tires and tire wear pollution which is significant and bad stuff. It’s also worse in heavier vehicles. Yes, EVs, especially if CATL can get their sodium battery line off the ground, are better overall, but let’s not oversimplify. Also, the most environmental car is still a car…
What do you propose we do to solve tyres?
I guess more trams would be cool
This is the way
Gas cars are better! (says the gas station owner)
Of course fossil fuels are worse, but that doesn’t mean EVs are a magically green utopia machine either.
Literally no-one has said that
Really? The manufacturers certainly seem to push such allusions in their advertising.
The batteries do contain rare minerals like lithium but these can be recovered and recycled. EVs can be charged with solar, wind and other renewables even tho many places in the USA still burn coal or natural gas.
Once you burn gasoline in your ICE vehicle then it’s gone, it turns into gasses that go into the atmosphere and can’t easily be recovered into anything of much use.
EVs are the future and we all know it. Gasoline will continue to become more expensive and more difficult to extract.
I’d argue with the level of shit were in with the climate, the no cars lifestyle should be the future.
It might be in a few nations with strong public transit already like Japan and a number or European nations but honestly idk if it will ever happen in the USA at least not in my life time.
We went from zero cars to everything covered in cars in a lifetime, we can go back in a lifetime.
Attitudes around public transport have to change. It’s seen as a thing poor people use in some cities so the affluent kill expansion efforts. And even where it doesn’t have that stigma, nobody wants to pay for infrastructure.
It’s so neat to have a problem that combines poor numeracy with not being able to see two steps ahead. Yeah, if could somehow grow the Venn diagram of people with those two skills that would be great.
OK but that’s about as realistic in the next 40+ years as genetically engineered flying pigs.
Incremental progress is good.
Incrementalism is what has killed us. Incrementalism plus crony capitalism equals absolute zero.
Then I guess surviving the climate collapse will be just as realistic.
worst part of getting old is watching everyone around you gradually get dumber
MIT Study VS Facebook posts. Hard choice.
Everyone who was around during the pandemic knows that facebook is gonna win
Well the Misinformation Institute of Technology just cannot be trusted. It’s in the name!!
Speaking as someone who has worked on plenty of gasoline powered cars… Duh. The most obvious waste product an internal combustion car makes other than the exhaust is the used oil. Have to do something with it. Have to make sure the engine isn’t leaking out into the environment when it’s running.
Even if you are charging your car from a coal plant, it’s more efficient. A coal power plant runs at one speed/output all the time. Gas cars have to throttle up and down. Each gas car has to be maintained by the person owning it, while the power plant has a maintenance team and inspections.
Also to the throttling up and down, the power plant, or even a gasoline generator sitting in the car itself, will always run at peak efficiency. Even a gasoline car sitting on the highway for 4hrs isn’t running at peak efficiency and a lot of that energy is lost in heat through the transmission.
Hey, I did my own research!!!1!1!!
How do you discover new things or form opinions?
The only “everyone” are trolls, paid or otherwise, the ignorant, and right wingnuts parroting the trolls and ignorant.
And there are a shitload of them who all seem to want to show off that opinion.
Yeah but I heard this one scientist said one time that EVs actually cause more cancers and make trees grow less leaves
The solar panels on my roof that I use to charge my car suck up all the sun and stop my grass growing
EVs beat me up and killed my dog.
EVs stole my wife and shot my kids.
EVs turned me into a newt!
A newt?
I got better?
I didn’t realise anyone still uses facebook. Like in developed countries I mean.
I live in Atlanta and when I turned 21 (a couple years ago, but post 2020) I was kinda irritated because literally everything in the entire city was planned on Facebook Events, and I hated using Facebook.
It’s overwhelmingly popular, especially in the 30+ crowd, not even restricted to your 55+. Genuinely everyone would create Facebook events (before Partiful got popular) to invite people over on a Saturday
Edit: spelling
I can tell you that keeping an existing decent ICE is better than buying a new EV. But once you have to buy a new car anyway, and an EV fits your usage pattern and operational environment there are no reasons not to buy one.
Yeah, it’s a bullshit clickbait headline to ignore this fact.
So that’s not what the article was saying
Strange that the post didn’t go into the mining/manufacturing side.
This may come as a shocker to some people, but ICE cars are mined and manufactured in almost the exact same way as an EV. The main difference is EVs tend to weigh a bit more.
Also, once you mine the materials for an EV, you’re done. My car runs on sunlight and wind. Once you mine and manufacture an ICE, you are locked into mining, manufacturing, and transporting resources for it for the rest of it’s existence.
Maybe cause its a separate issue? Look, yes it is costly to extract the resources for a battery, but once we have it, we have it for good. Batteries are incredibly recyclable at this point (90%+ recoverable, conservatively), and a new battery can be almost entirely created using previous batteries.
This is in comparison to fossil fuels, which you get to burn exactly once, after which point you have to go extract more. The environmental costs of extracting oil (not even burning it) are well documented.
Where a ICE car requires ongoing environmental devastation, an electric one does not inherently require it. As more of the materials for batteries enters circulation, there’s less need to go extract more, and as grids transition from fossil fuels to renewables the climate impact of charging can be lessened as well.
Of course this isn’t to say that an electric car is the climate endgame. More walkable places, better public transit, better regulation of corporate polluters, etc. are the real meat and potatoes. But saying that EVs are just as bad as ICE cars is just not true.
It’s what those Facebook actually people fall back on so it isn’t a separate issue. It’s the issue being addressed.
I’m aware of everything you said, I just find the article of low value for not being able to use as a retort to the people it claims to refute.
A second hand ICE car is still better than a new EV though.
We kinda solved cars 15 years ago as an ICE car from 2010 is almost indistinguishable from a new one. I’m waiting for my 2008 toyota to retire but it just keeps on going to the point where I think it’ll last me 10 more years. I don’t drive much but it takes e20 as fuel (heavily dilutated gasoline) and with CVT gearbox it’s super cheap to maintain so I really don’t feel like me upgrading to an EV would make any difference other than promote EV infrastructure.
My next car will definitely be an EV though primary because I expect battery tech to be much better by then.
A second hand EV is better than a second hand gas car though, so… What’s your point? What’s with this entirely outdated talking point at all? There are EVs old enough to vote.
Sadly the second hand ev market doesn’t exist everywhere.
You can buy EVs secondhand. You’d be hard pressed to find a sub 10k EV “beater” but there are plenty of used EVs in the 15-25k price range in my area, and are equivalent in features to used cars in the same bracket.
You can’t really. The world is a bit bigger than you think and mass adoption global cars like byd dolphin etc. Only started appear 4 years ago. So how can a second hand ev market develop?
I genuinely thought i misread the title… Wtf
