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        All of this justifies Russia attacking a sovereign country, alright. With most of the equipment and uniforms bearing Z, the modern swastika. In mission to provide living room and freedom to true russian people. By committing genocide.

        Also, land mines. Ukraine accused of using land mines. Projections give us 700 years to remove mines in Ukraine. 700. Years. Placed by a country that did not sign the Ottawa Treaty.

        Now. Tell me about them projections. Cannot wait.

        Then call me names.

        And then a troll.

        Or do we do whataboutism again (see the links comment, adding for clarity) and then change subjects?

        Which part of the script are we rehearsing?

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            1 year ago

            What is Russia business in Ukraine’s overthrowing their government?

            How is talking Israel not changing subjects?

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            I see this Stoltenberg quote confidently thrown out so often in defence of Russia’s invasion. Do you think Russia has some kind of actual right to invade countries if NATO doesn’t do what it says? Would you be defending Germany if it sent a similar letter to the CSTO and then invaded Serbia?

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              Of course it does. It’s a superpower with a right to protect its citizens from the threats of the world’s most aggressive military alliance, making threats to install nukes etc. Do you think the US would behave differently?

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                Hot take but if the USA invaded Mexico because the CSTO refused to stop accepting members then I would, in fact, think that that was bad actually

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                  But that’s not a singular scenario. If you want an analogy it would be Russia or China installing nukes on the US-Mexico border and constantly talking shit.

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                    It’s the direct comparison to the scenario Russia created when it sent that letter. It’s literally just swapping:

                    • The CSTO for NATO
                    • America for Russia, as the aggressor with a big military
                    • Mexico for Ukraine, as the smaller neighbour that’s not even in the alliance in question

                    But let’s not pretend it would be any more just for America to kill hundreds of thousands of Mexicans over nukes stored there. The way America treated Cuba around the time of the missile crisis was basically this, and I would hope that we can agree America was not justified in that. As it is you’re just defending warmongering behaviour because it’s against a side that you don’t like.

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                If it’s a free for all, Germany and its friends can do what they want and send Ukraine as many weapons as they like, can’t they? Why have you got a problem with it? Under your logic they’re just doing what world powers do

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                    Oh I’m sorry, I must have mistaken your comment backing up the accusation of modern Germany doing Nazi stuff to be criticism of Germany’s actions.